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He pampered the documents. They were the best documents. Hero documents. No prisoner of war documents. We like war documents. Not prisoner of war documents.

They flew first class. Trump Force One. A veritable traveling Presidential Library. Without clearance.
And there’s the problem. His lawyers don’t have clearance either.
The boss showed the war plans -if you can believe it- to the media, and various rockers and rollers.
From the Trump Tower to the bowels of Mar-a-lago. They were the ultimate baseball cards. Now we’ve got a full blown country auction. Or as they say on TV, a Constitutional Crisis.

And what about Hillary?

Alan Feuer of The New York Times. An honest one, with the prominent view, gives his views.

Detroit Tax Scam.
Duggan (pronounced Duh-gan) and his mob point towards Pittsburgh. Problem is- Pittsburgh’s Mayor doesn’t gamble. If you own a home in Michigan you might want to listen.



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Bullshit. Yes indeed. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for joining us, ladies and gentlemen. But you have no other choice. Everything else is bullshit. It’s the only place you’re going to get real news. We’re not afraid doing the work for you so you can make your decisions. It is graduation time, Karen. Time to look out for the babies.

Yep, you’re right. What the

Fuck are you man? You’re either in a peep booth or you’re being booked at the Fulton County Jail. Where are you?

I’m in New Orleans, Charlie. And this is the best background that I could get with a table and a light in the hotel. So what

Are you in? You in New Orleans gal splain into the city leaders. How they got to turn it all around and the miracles you pulled off in Detroit.

We shall see Charlie. We shall see. There’s some Detroit people down here though from the city. That’s whatcha

Doing there. I mean actually, what are you doing there?

I had to come down for a little business and a little food. So you know,

It’s very cryptic.

It’s fucking weird. That’s, it’s really cryptic. I think she’s in jail

In New Orleans who hasn’t been in jail in New

Orleans. What was that show? That’s cellblock. G h Tales from Cell Black. Am I dating myself? Why would,

What makes you think I’m in jail? Why would I be in jail, Charlie? What have I done to be in jail?

Well, that’s what I’m trying to figure out, Karen. It’s the strange echo. The shower curtain.

It’s not a shower curtain. This is a window. I’m in the Four Seasons. Charlie’s


Out. This is, but this is it. You don’t want to see a bed, you don’t want to see a tv. You don’t want to see a bathroom. Oh,

Show us. Don’t see sitting baby. Oh show baby. Tell you what, we’re going to go to commercial break here in a minute. We want you to get the nighty on, get into bed, order some room service and show us the view of the Mississippi.

No, no.

All right, well then try then moving right along. Please give us a like save my dying dog and No, we got to here. Here’s the real deal. Really. You guys know what the point of this show is? We don’t do any stories that we don’t do ourselves or we have some contact with some proximity where we’re all living. I am very happy to welcome back after the commercials, Alan. All right, Alan Foyer of the New York Times. The guy is an a honest arbiter. He’s no bullshit. He’s no partisan. He’s got a quick pen, a quicker mind, a set of balls. He’s in my mind, one of the greatest reporters of this generation. He is ensconced in the biggest story in this country, which is Trump, the indictment and the classified documents. He is rolling point for the New York Times on this. So he’ll be joining. Hey Alan. How you doing brother?

Good to see you,

Charlie. Yeah, Cleveland sucks, man. So does it Detroit. And speaking of Cleveland, there’s, we can fight to the death, but thank God there’s Pittsburgh.
No, I’m saying agreed. Agreed. And we’re going to have the mayor of Pittsburgh on to dissect this lame brain scheme. Hey mayor, the lame brain scheme, this tax proposal of yours. You want to dip into everybody’s house in Michigan in order to fund your patrons. The guys that write, the guys that own these skyscrapers who write the big checks, the mayor of Pittsburgh. You are pushing a study saying Pittsburgh has gone to the model that you are proposing, but they dropped it 25 years ago and you’re going to get his estimation. All of that. But first I want to say this, I want to say something before we have a word from our sponsors. I want you to know on Facebook. Facebook here, they shut us down. They’ve shadow banned us. Now, we used to get 30 to 40,000 people watching this show on Facebook when it went live.
Now look at it. You didn’t even get a notification. It’s maybe 3000. Hardly anybody gets that notification. You can’t find us when you search. So think about this. How does Facebook only send this show to 3000 people and yet 4,000 people watch it? It doesn’t make sense. Something’s fucked up on the platform. We’ve been shadow banned. And Mark Zuckerberg is a chicken shit. And I’m going to tell you how and when it happened. It was about a year and a half ago during the state election cycle when I was calling out the governor, when I sued her for faking the Covid nursing home numbers, I wrote articles on the vaccine data. It wasn’t my data, it was the University of Michigan Hospitals data hot. Hardly a hotbed for conspiracy theories. What I wrote in 2021 was the vaccine was not working as advertised. 40% of people with C O V I D in the U of M hospital were vaxxed the Democrats, not the liberals, not the progressives.
The corporate Democrats complained they wind and we started getting flagged around this time, those C O d potential disinformation slides. Remember those started appearing over the top of our show. The viewership started dropping and the algorithm start stopped sending the show around. Even though 110% of the people who received it watched it. That would mean that the algorithm would send the show out to more people, not less. And our work, as you know, no fear, no favor, no bullshit, has been original and it’s been correct. We never aired a fake covid story. Never a fake Russian collusion story. No rigged election conspiracy stories. No blowjob mayor brought the city back. Stories like the media here is feeding you. We give you the truth. So how did we get banned? Explanation’s easy. Let’s say you’re a political, you want the power, you want the contracts, you want the win.
So you hire hipsters, you hire them to flag dissenters. People tell the truth. Counter to what you’re spinning, the propaganda. You create fake accounts, you hipsters to cover your tracks, and you call the truth lies and you hide from your crimes. Just so be it. I don’t give a fuck. But let’s take a look at Zuck Zuckerberg and his other platform. Instagram. Instagram is the second largest social media platform on planet earth with nearly 2 billion monthly users after Facebook with nearly 3 billion monthly users. The Wall Street Journal reported last week that the biggest network of pedophile, pornography, track traffickers, has been using Instagram as its main smuggling route of filth and abuse. Children with animals, children with children, children with adults, self-mutilation. You get the whole sick thing. Instagram even recommends those sickos to each other via the hashtag. They put ’em together. Hundreds of thousands of Epsteins are out there trading in child rape in plain sight.
And Zuckerberg and his team did nothing but make money until the story came out. All right? If you mess with children, Mark’s on board, you tell the truth, mark. Shadow bans you. So I could give two shits about Facebook. You know that I won’t be leaving Facebook. Too many of you use it as your only source of news, but you’re not going to see me on it much. I’m not going to pay much attention to it anymore. It disgusts me. So you can subscribe to iTunes or wherever you get your po. They don’t ban and we’re top 200 in America. They’ll notify you. Try Twitter. We we’re trying it for the first time tonight, trying to do it live. Go over there. They don’t shadow bad. Whatever you think about Elon Musk or any of the clowns, I don’t even like Twitter. Even YouTube, which would flag people and put ’em in ghettos is easing up. Try that Anything but Facebook. Because if you know me, I can’t stand people who profit on lies and I certainly won’t make money for people that profit on child abuse. No word of ’em are sponsors.


This shit, I can’t sleep, mark. Yeah, I can’t sleep. We have a new, we want to welcome a board next Yeah,

I might have that solution for you. I mean, I’m a narcoleptic, right,

Alan? He’s a true to life narcoleptic. Mark is actually a narcoleptic.

I am. It’s true. No, no, no. Bullshit. But because my medication will keep me up. So sometimes I do have trouble sleeping and I have used the next Evo stress sleep CBD complex because it’s loaded with CBDs, it’s loaded with, I should probably put the camera on myself. It’s loaded with CBDs. It’s loaded with fast acting melatonin to knock you out long-term melatonin. Hey, I’m a fan of whatever works. So give it a shot. It’s better than those oils. Those oils with the stupid dropper. I’m sure everyone’s seen them. These are pills. There’s gummies, there’s topical solutions clinically proven to get into your bloodstream faster. So give it a shot. Big fan of if you have trouble sleeping, try the sleep stuff they got. If you’re maybe a little stressed out, they have stress. Cbd. You look very quizzical about this.

Does it make you drowsy Mark, like the next day?

No, not the next day. Because it’s mainly the melatonin in there that will knock you out. And the CBD does its work. So

See, melatonin gives me a headache. So it does. I need something else. Cause I can’t, yeah, it does. Melatonin gives me a headache.

Well that’s great, Karen. So the I’m I’m sure the sponsors going to love to hear that, but we’re being honest. I’m being trying. No, no, no, no. We’re we’re, look, we’re being honest. And then if they don’t like it, we don’t care. Cause we’re no bullshit. I know.

I would like to try it. That’s

All. What is cbd? I’d like try.

It’s the non-active ingredient in marijuana. So like the non hallucinogenic ingredient in marijuana.

So does it get you high?

No, Uhuh. But it does, some people say it has health benefits for ’em and it hasn’t been studying enough. So if it works for you, it works for you. It doesn’t, but

It doesn’t. But this one does have studies, right? They had do have had scientific studies.

As a matter of fact, Charlie, a recent lab study found that most of the top CBD brands contain as little as 60% of what their labels claim. Not next to evo. So you’re getting what you paid

For. Okay, I’ll tell you this. It’s a derivative of marijuana. Yeah, but it’s not the THC that gets you high. Yes. But you find some AM military ref effects. It helps you sleep. I do. My wife said it. Help her sleep.

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Go. Okay. Again, no bullshit. I haven’t taken it.

Yeah, I’ve done the sleep stuff works.

Yeah, you have. My wife has. Whenever I eat like a pot brownie. Yeah. When the THC goes through your liver, it psycho activates it, right? Activates it. Yeah. You

Don’t, does don’t really want to take weed to sleep. No.

So I’ve heard No, but this is different. This isn’t,

Is not the hallucinogenic thc. Okay.

Give it a


Why not? Now there, do they have topicals, mark? They

Do. I mean, yes. Yep.

Okay. Because now those I will use for my back for my car accident. So I have tried. So I that I will try. I can get 20% off too.

Great. Great recovery, Karen? Yes. Try it all.

Okay. And we finally have a T-shirt for you, Karen.


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Thanks for having me, Charlie.

You got it, man. So brother, let’s, everybody watches cable. So you are the guy next to the guy. What’s new dude? What can you tell us that’s going on that you might not see on cable TV or read in the newspapers, your vibe?

All right, so just today, for example, literally two hours ago, the judge who’s overseeing this case, this historic important case, issued an order to all the lawyers involved that they had to get security clearances. It makes sense. This is a case about classified documents. The fact is, Trump’s lawyers don’t yet have security clearances and they are representing him in a case involving classified material. So it’s, it’s a little point that shows you where things are in this world that he lives in. So

Does he even have lawyers? Because I, I religiously read you in the New York Times. I look for your name. Like I said, you’re one of the clearest, most elegant writers. It makes sense. It doesn’t blather Monday night, he was still interviewing guys, right?

So it’s the same on the evening before the morning that he was going to end up appearing in Miami Federal Court to be arraigned. He was interviewing lawyers. Now he’s got two guys who are one guy from New York and one guy from Florida. Because don’t forget, if you’re appearing in the Florida federal courts, you have to have a Florida lawyer. So he’s got it kind of covered. It’s just that the nobody knows who’s going to wind up being on the case moving forward, which is, I mean, look, it is what it is. Still interviewing people

Well, about the court’s rulings to Trump’s people. Is he allowed to talk? Is he allowed to tweet? Is a lot of his staff is involved in this? So inside that, yeah.

So this is, yeah, no, very. So it’s a very unique and weird situation. His co-defendant in the case is his body man. You know what I mean? The guy who literally follows him around hands him Diet Cokes and fixes the collars of his sweaters
As part of the judge’s order, releasing him from his arraignment as a free man. He’s not allowed to talk to the guy who literally follows him around day in, day out about this case. So how do you not discuss the case with your co-defendant when that co-defendant is the guy who literally hands you tic tacs and opens the door of the golf cart for you? He’s like he’s, he shadows him everywhere. And furthermore, the judge put in place a ruling where Trump is not allowed to talk to any of the potential witnesses in the case. I mean, that makes sense. You don’t want to tamper with witnesses, you don’t want to talk to them. But many of the potential people who will appear as witnesses at his trial work in Mar-a-Lago with him. So these are people who, his conversation has been restricted and what he can say to them has been narrowed down. And these are people he comes in contact with every day. So the atmosphere at Mar-a-Lago is just got to be very odd right now.


Alan, what, just given the fact that that Trump is so egotistical, do you think that possibly he would not even try to talk to them based on the assumption that they think like him and that he’s innocent and that they’re going to side with him? I mean, I could just see him being that arrogant and that detached from even thinking he had to have a conversation with those people.

I mean, look, we put it in the paper yesterday. I think that his speaking style is ungovernable, right? This is not a guy who wants to be told what he can say and who he can say it to. And so it’s just a remarkable situation where his conversation has been ordered by a federal judge to be restricted when he’s dealing with the people who are literally closest to him. And I mean, don’t mean emotionally, I mean physically closest to him.

So this begs the question, because he’s the ultimate tweeter and he doesn’t listen. So let’s say he starts talking to him obliquely through social media is we’re in the middle of an election cycle. He’s the front runner. Is it possible, and I’m sure that you’re working on this, that if the court starts to see that there is some kind of untoward communication through the third party mechanism, that they could put a gag order on him in the middle of an election where he couldn’t talk about this at all. Let’s say he does a stadium speech and he’s kind of talking to the people around him without directly talking to him.

I would say it’s unlikely, but it’s theoretically possible. So if he violates the terms of his release, the government has unity to go to the judge and say, judge, here were the rules that you set and the defendant is not following them and we want some recourse. So in theory, it’s possible that there could be any number of new restrictions placed on him. I mean, you would have to imagine that everyone is being very cautious, careful, and diligent here, given the nature of who the defendant in this case is.

Does this thing drag out to the election, past the election? So

That’s kind of, yeah. So that’s kind of one of the most important questions here.

That’s what I paid for, bro.

There you go. The special council’s office is going to try and drive the ball down the field very quickly, very hard. Trump’s legal team is almost certainly going to raise a whole bunch of complicated legal issues. Everything from talking about the nature of the classified documents to trying to compare this case, the other classified documents, cases. And even if they don’t win on the merits of those arguments, if they can successfully push this case past the election, then all of the sudden you’re in a very uncertain territory. So for example, let’s say Trump wins the election

Is his internet. Yeah. Okay.

Do am I back?

Yeah, you’re back brother. Go ahead.

All right. So I don’t know where I lost you, but if government the case, yeah, right. So let’s say

Goddamn government, the case,

The case goes past the election and it’s still not resolved. Trump could in theory order his attorney general to drop the case. Let’s say he gets convicted before the election and then ends up winning. Trump in theory, could pardon himself, although that’s never really been tested. If a president can pardon himself,

So many things haven’t been tested. A guy that’s been impeached twice, he’s, he’s been indicted in county court. He’s been indicted in federal court every day with this guy is a brave new world.

Look, we’ve never been in the situation we’re in now, period. I mean, we’ve never had a president who’s been indicted once, let alone twice. And of course, as you just said, we’ve never had a president who was impeached twice.

Wow. Is he bagging again there? Yeah. Okay. If you can hear Alan, I’m curious about Walter. Nada, the co-defendant, right? The guy that fluffs his collar, gives him the tic Tacs, lays out his underwear. He’s the guy accused of lying to federal authorities. He didn’t move any boxes. They’ve got him on tape moving boxes. Does this case hinge on him flipping? What’s your vibe about him flipping and where he’s at in all this?

So the government has been trying to get Walt Nada to turn on Trump and cooperate with their investigation basically since last September or October. And he didn’t do it right. He declined the offer and essentially risked getting charged. And now he’s been charged with Trump, not only for lying to the F B I, as you said, he’s been charged in a conspiracy with Trump to obstruct the investigation into Trump’s handling of documents and the conspiracy charges that he faces. And there are four of them. Each one carries a potential sentence, maximum term of 20 years in prison. So if he was under pressure before to flip and cooperate, that pressure is only heightened by the serious prison time he is facing now. Is he going to flip what? Right. It’s very early in the prosecution. Charges were just filed days ago. But look, he’s got some options. He could gut it out and he could go to trial with Trump. He could make a motion to the judge to say, Hey judge, if I go to trial with Trump, I am going to be unfairly


I can interpret that. Stop shaking your head. It’s just technology, man. He said unfairly prejudiced if I’m with Trump. Yeah, so there’s that. Okay, he’s back. Sorry

About that, man.

No, it’s good. Dude, you’re up there in the mountains, man. Go on.

So he could basically try to sever the case, have his own case, or as you said, he could make the decision it’s worth his while, plead guilty with to presumably lesser charges, make a deal and testify against Trump. Those are more or less the guy’s options at this point.

Well, lemme ask you the question, man, and just, I guess I’m asking you to speculate, and I’m not, I’m just winding you up. I’m teeing one up. N it wouldn’t have come to this. I mean, what are we talking about? The federal government for a year, a year and a half has been trying to get these documents back, turns out pretty serious. Some nuclear stuff, some Iranian bombing plans, et cetera. Why didn’t the do, just give them back if it, correct me if I’m wrong. This is a question. If you had given him back, we wouldn’t be here, would we?

I think that’s right. And why he didn’t give him back. Look, don’t ask me that question. I’m not the one who can answer that, but

I’m going to need 1200 words by stat deadline,


I need to think peace for Sunday.

That story, we’ve got a story that just came out this evening that kind of gets at that idea and

Wait a minute, pause, pro pause. You see that? You see what a pro he is. I just ordered up a story and it’s already going to press my man. I hate deadline.

So the idea is that his aids for a while, even when he was still in office, referred to all of these boxes that he would have carted around with him wherever he went, if he was in DC or if he was in Mar-a-Lago down in Florida, or if he went to his New Jersey property, they called them his beautiful mind material. It’s a reference to the movie with Help me Out. Who’s the actor? Russell Crow.

Russell Crow.

Yeah. Russell Crow. And the idea is that these boxes were filled with odds and ends and things that he collected, like Russell Crow had all those papers on the wall that he connected with string and push pins. And the idea that these boxes were psychologically important to him seems to be a reality. The guy liked to collect and hoard stuff from his time in office. You’re kidding. So why did he do it? I mean,

Are you, wait, sir, wait, wait. This is interesting, dude. This I did not know. So he would tell,

It’s actually, it’s in the indictment. In the indictment, they quote a text that one of that, his personal assistant is writing to another employee down at Mar-a-Lago. And she essentially says, where are the beautiful mind papers? We have to be like, he wants to know where the beautiful mind papers are. And we were like, what does that mean? What does that mean? But we figured out that that’s what it means.

These are trophies in a way. I mean, again, you can’t know unless you ask them, but it appears there is trophies. This is me. Look what I got.

Look, the question of motive in all of this has always been both fundamental and sort of essentially unknown. So let’s not forget in one of the episodes described in the indictment, Trump is at his New Jersey golf club Bedminster, and he’s being interviewed by people who are helping his chief of staff, Mark Meadows write a book. And Trump is really upset at one of his top generals, mark Millie, because of a recent news article that came out. It’s not worth getting into the details. The point is Trump has got this stack of papers with him while he is meeting with these researchers for the book who he’s getting an interview to. And he goes, oh, this guy, my general is telling all these stories about me. That true,

That actually sounds like Trump


I’m just seeing if it clears up. Did you clear up Dear Alan? He’ll come back. It’s a cloud going

Through. All right, we are we back? Sorry, man.

Yeah, there you go. So yeah. All right.

So he says, I have this document right here that proves that my general is wrong about what he says. I think I would love to show it to you, but it’s classified. And if I were president, I could declassify it, but now that I’m not president, I can’t. And this whole interaction was recorded. It’s on tape

By Trump’s own people in a way, yes. His chief of staff’s, ghost writers, his own lawyer, his Tell that story, Alan, about, they have voice exem contemporaneous notes from his lawyer in the car, and they’re quoting from that. That’s part of this as well, if you don’t mind to explain.

Yeah. So when the Justice Department finally got hold of this case, and they issued a subpoena to Trump basically saying, Hey man, you have to give back all the classified documents you have. He hired a lawyer to help him comply with the subpoena. And that lawyer one day picked up his iPhone and started recording all of his recollections of his efforts to help Trump comply with the subpoena and eventually do a search of the storage room at Mar-a-Lago as part of his legal duties. And so those notes were obtained through a very complicated process by the prosecutors in this case. And there’s really unusual wild stuff in there. So at one point, the notes that the lawyer is talking about how he’s, like what Trump is saying about complying with the subpoena and the lawyer,

Oh, it’s getting good. I don’t care. It’s like, man, you’re in the Allegheny Mountains, man, don’t worry about it. The lawyer is in the car talking into the phone. Right. Okay. So

Did you hear the plucking motion part? Did

We get No, no, no. Just keep, we lost you at, okay, he’s talking into the phone. Go ahead.

All right. So he is into the phone describing how he was hired by Trump to help him basically follow the rules of the subpoena. And at one point he describes how Trump is like he’s making this plucking motion, and the lawyer’s like, what does that mean? And he gets the sense that Trump is saying to him, Hey, whatever we find that is relevant to this subpoena, just take it back to your hotel room and pluck out the stuff that’s bad. I mean, it’s just like, it’s unheard of that the government gets a hold of this sort of firsthand evidence.

Well, since we got you here, dude, and we got second degree, look into this thing. He’s talking to the phone. I know you’re privy to how it sounded. Describe if you could, wouldn’t, how are the lawyers talking into this phone and what manner it is and what is he exactly doing?

Sure. So we do know that the lawyer’s in his car, he’s driving and he turns on his iPhone and he’s essentially narrating the story of showing up to be Trump’s lawyer. And as if he were writing the opening chapter of a memoir, it’s in complete sentences with descriptions of the architecture of Mar-a-Lago. And it’s not a normal lawyer who sits down and jots notes on a legal pad. Oh, here,

We’re waiting for this. The damn clouds up there. Wait a minute, he’s narrating a memoir.

Yeah, so,

Okay. Yeah. So wait, go ahead. Give me the dramatic interpretation, Alan, if you could, a recreation from what you gleaned from your sources. How, no, that’s

All. That’s all. I haven’t, yeah, no, the notes have been described.

Well, go ahead and as they’ve been described, go ahead gi, give me the opening.

No, no. So he’s in the car, he’s essentially describing the first time that he meets Trump. He’s describing the architecture at Mar-a-Lago. Things that like a lawyer would not normally put into notes. It’s like it’s recounting this story.

What the way, what was Trump wearing? Or they shook hands.

Yeah, like the blue suit, the red tie.

You’re kidding. Wow. Okay then I’m sorry, man, I’m stunned. I’m, I’m stunned. Okay. How does the government know that the former president has classified documents? I mean, you’re talking about the national archives, I’m just guessing, I don’t know if you know, but is everything that goes to the president’s desk of highly sensitive nature numbered, coded when they go, Hey, wait a minute, we’re missing documents. How do they know they’re missing documents? Are they numbered the God Allegheny Mountains again?

Look, I don’t know the exact process. Oh man, you can’t hear

Me? I can hear you. No, I can’t hear you. Okay. Can you hear me now? Okay. Yeah. Am I back? Yeah, you’re back, man.

Look, I’m sorry, I

Apologize. No, listen, here’s what I want you to do. I want you to write down this number. 7 34,

Hold on.


All right.

7 34.


2 45.

2 45.


All right.

You asked for Matt Kovi. That’s XG service group. No, they, they’ll, dude, they’re so cool. They’ll come out there, man, like,

Oh, oh, I got you.

Okay, Bernie. No, I’m serious. Call them, you’ll love it. I’m telling you, they’ll get it all hooked up. This, you’re in one of the biggest stories that hit this country, like ever political stories ever. So you don’t know how the documents are numbered. We just know, right? That’s that’s something I’m quite,

Yeah, I don’t know the process of how the archives tracks this, but they were aware in pretty


Okay, fuck this. The alleg call Bernie, here’s the deal. You there?
Did we lose him for real this time? Yeah, the whole thing. No, I don’t believe it. No, there he is. There he, that’s Alan. Dude. That’s a tough son of a bitch. He doesn’t quit Alan, because the connections band, you got a weather front moving through. Let me, I got one, and I’m sorry, Karen. You know this old friend of mine, ummm really into what he’s doing. I got one question and I’ll leave it at that. It’s the what? Aboutm. I want to say this to everybody listening. It’s quite obvious to me that the Joe Biden and the Mike Pence thing is different because when they were asked to produce him, they did, Trump did not. But I cannot shake Hillary Clinton. Trump did what he did. Go to trial. That’s it. But I can’t shake Alan that Hillary Clinton was asked to produce the server. It got produced, 30,000 emails were deleted, there was classified information, and they beat to death a bunch of blackberries with ball pen hammers. It seems to me that that is in some way an obstruction of justice. Why is she not being brought?

So look, that exact issue is going to get fought out during this trial or before the trial. It is almost certain that Trump’s lawyers are going to file what’s called a selective prosecution motion. And they’re going to argue that Trump was charged with mishandling classified documents when another big elected official, Hillary Clinton was not for her classified documents investigation. So there’s a couple of key important differe differences. You remember when the f b investigated Hillary, the director of the F B I at the time, Jim Comey stood up at the end of the whole thing and said Hillary Clinton was reckless in how she used classified documents. But the number of documents itself was very small and there was no evidence of a willful intent to commit a crime. No evidence that she willfully held onto it or anything like that. And so what you have in the indictment of Trump is about,

Well, I’m glad, I’m glad that paused because I’m like, I don’t buy that. When you purposefully delete government documents, when you destroy phone mark, what do you

Say? Well, it seems like intent. Yeah. When you purposefully destroy something, I

Don’t say I think so. That’s very intentful, but I don’t want this to be about, what about Aboutm? Because again, the man needs to go through the process. Your sin is your sin. Or maybe it’s not a sin, but again, just a complete walkaway. I don’t see the same with Biden, and I don’t see the same with Pence ain’t destroy anything. They comply.

But isn’t there a question of, but isn’t there a question of maintaining documents that are not their property? I mean, when you leave an office or job, or especially a public office, you aren’t supposed to take anything. It doesn’t belong to you. So is there a question of why those documents even landed in any of their possessions outside of them occupying the office?

Is Alan Beck or is

She I You’re asking me that?

Yeah. Yeah, why not?

I’m asking anybody. Yeah,

We were just stalling because of the weather.

Yeah, look, this is, I mean, you

Should should’ve stole


Okay, man. All right. So are you, he’s not there. Here’s what we’re going to, okay, Alan, let, let’s wind it up. So right to the weather’s come in. All right. So in the end, this is going to be an issue that we as Americans are talking about, because it’ll be an issue in the courts, and you’re going to be the guy that delivers it to us.

It’s going to be part of this case, almost certainly.

Okay. Listen, man, just I could do this all night. I really appre. I know you’re busy. I mean, this got to be hard. Usually you cover courts and criminality. The El Chappo trial, the book you wrote is amazing. This has got to be different. I mean, would you rather be doing politicians or drug lords?

Oh, I would do a drug, Lord, any day of the week.

How come?

Totally understandable.

I’ve just like, I’m just not used to the, I’ve never done politics and I’ve always done courts crime, criminal investigations. But now when the defendant is a politician, there’s no way to separate the politics out of it. So that’s just a new world for me.

Gorgeously said, are you active on Twitter with all of this?

Yeah, pretty much. You

Want to tell people your handle so they can follow. And I totally highly recommend not only following Alan, but getting a subscription to the New York Times.

Sure. My Twitter is just at my name at Allen Foyer.

A L A N F E U E R.


All right, man. Say hey to your, you’re a lovely lady, and maybe I’ll catch you in Miami, because now I know you’re getting a couple trips to Miami on this.

That sounds fun. All

Right, take care, Charlie. Thanks brother so much. Alan Feuer and New

Times. Allen’s got 47,000 followers, so somebody’s watching him.

Allen is the shit that I don’t hate media, man. We don’t know anything without that. Allen’s the press. He is, he’s the pressed old school, a gum shoe. And you heard him. Is that fascinating? Trump traveled with, what is that? The beautiful mind box.

I just like someone that covers the courts in general because you got to read a lot of boring material to find facts

And then make it come alive. Yeah. See, that’s the thing. I was talking to him. What I admire about the guy is, look, lots of people can give you the facts. Too many people kind of want to twist them to fit their political needs. But the other half, and I think we can all testify to this, is they’re not teaching writing anymore. Karen can actually write, and I don’t mean that as a put down, as it might have sounded, but she didn’t spend her life honing a pen to communicate in a mass calm way in a newspaper. And she’s a pretty brilliant columnist. Find her every Tuesday in the Detroit News. Well, it’s true. I appreciate that. I read it and I go, where did you learn it? Because it takes a long time to be that good with a pen.

Well, I think it’s a process, Charlie. I think I’m better than I used to be, but I’m still not as good as I would like to be. So I mean, it’s a process.

And that’s the other part of it, which is the hunger to always improve.

Yeah, absolutely. That should be with everything.

I absolutely hate what a good writer you are. I mean, people have seen how mad I get. How simply you’ll come up with something.

Who’s that carry to me?

Mark, you.


I know. Well, I mean’s why you write books. They don’t

Just hand out Pulitzer Prizes, bro.

Grace has seen me get, grace has seen me get really pissed. I’m like, God, damnit.

Oh, wait, wait, wait. Where the hell are we going with this?

You, you have other talents? Mark, you have other talents.

No, I don’t. I have no life skills. You

Do, man. Just

Eating. Oh,

Stop it.

Big, big businessman came in here and was singing your praises. Man. Can, can’t believe you’re putting up with this. Mark, by the way, is also I, I’m going to give him the tell you executive producer, the Drew and Mike podcast, part of the Red Shovel network of which we’re part of. And he also produces Soul of Detroit, but Ml L Rick. So this man,

This is not on the rundown.

Yeah, I just, I’m throwing it in. I


It. Thank you. I’m really, really love working with you. It’s another, you two people. It’s just another chapter of my life. And you’ll always be part of my life. Alan was a chapter of my life. He’s always a part of my life. And I love knowing talented and honest people. Well,

I like doing it. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t. And

That weather sucked. And that was still, was that fascinating? Yeah, that was fascinating. Yeah. That was the inside. Okay, so again, what do we know about Trump? When I’m listening to Drew, he’s talking about, and I get jealous of that show because he’s talking about what we all talk about, the energy of the man. He doesn’t look all beat down and wrinkly in his voice as old in his, he breaks his tan is better.

He breaks all the rules and it works for him.

Yeah. You know what I mean? His hair’s the same orange as it’s always been.

That’s why people love him.

And that stuff I want to talk about, but I just don’t feel

Well, I like that you go deeper into things that,

Well, we have to do that because we got that right.

Well, no one else is doing it around here, especially locally.

All right. So listen, before get, I want to get to the big swindle, the big Detroit tax swindle that they’re trying to perpetrate on all of us. And when we’re talking about money, you always know we’re talking Luke Acki, who wants to give you sound rational financial advice. I won’t go into all the machinations, all the news about inflation, about the Feds holding steady about the spot price of gold. That’s a job for Luke Acki at Pinnacle Wealth. 2 4 8 6 6 3 4 7 4 8. Rational financial advice for your home, for your child’s college, for your municipality, for your pension fund. Everybody gets the good treatment from Luke. We all here do again, Luke Acki at Pinnacle. Well, 2 4 8 6 6 3 4 7 4 8. I haven’t done this in a long time. Securities investment and advisory officers, world Lunch Associates, Inc. Member fan’s, PC Royal Associates, Inc. Separately, another animal marketing named Surface Ancy and Independent Lower Alliance Zinc. What a problem.
And what’s the news? The feds did not raise rates. Yeah. What did the mortgage markets do? Well, yeah, they, they’ve gone. They’ve been going down. Cause they knew they were going to raise them. Yeah, there you go. And now’s the time. If you’ve been smart buying seasons here, there’s inventory rates are holding steady. If you find the house, remember, if you think remember something, 7% is the historical average of a mortgage in the history of mortgages. 7% is the average. You find a house you want it. If you think rates are going to go down, and they probably will give it six months here, probably. I don’t You can refi. They do it all at all financial, right? They got a lot of good deals. They got the 1% down program with up to $4,000 in forgivable down payment assistance for qualified buyers. You can always consolidate debt, right?
Take out the home equity loan. It’s at a much lower rate than your credit cards. And everybody knows what is the credit card debt in this country now? Like 25 to 30, isn’t it? It’s even higher. It’s over a trillion, isn’t it? Oh yeah, total. Yeah. Okay. So why are you paying 20% on a trillion call hall? What’s the number Mark? Eight sixty six. Call hall. What’s the website? Mark? Call hall You got it. Keep quizzing me. Who I going to? Am I going to push out of people next? Legacy insurance. You know what got that Mustang fixed? Did you, you know what was happening, Karen? The accelerator pump diaphragm, I hate that. Happens was leaking. It was throwing, it was gas all over the block. Fire hazard. Ooh, I got it fixed. You know why I got it fixed? Why? Because I got a good rate on the insurance for that 65 Mustang. Otherwise I would’ve just let sit. But the rate was too good. It’s rolling again. I’m reengaged Co v I d killed my car. I love that car. Love it. It’s

A nice

Car. It’s, it’s a nice little, a little pony. And your bike’s insured now too. And my bike’s insured. I just let ’em, I’m getting old. I don’t care anymore. But they gave me the right rate. And you all know you listen to the show. I called them up and a half an hour, right? That’s right. Yeah. And you, what’s my year insurance on the bike? 200 bucks. Wow. I go do it. It it’s worth saving this bike. I’ll only ride it a couple times, but damn it, I’m ready to go because my people at Legacy do the work for me. They don’t gouge me. They make their money on the back end, not out of my pocket. And now you can get Karen on the back of that bike. Now it’s insured. Oh

Yeah. Yeah. I want to go. I do. I want to ride on their bike. But you know, a friend of my mom’s when I was in high school, tried to give me a classic Mustang. And I was like, I don’t want that old car. And I look back and think like, gee, I should’ve, oh, I’ll never forget

That. I know what you were thinking you did. So you were always smart though. You went like this. How old were you when that happened?

Probably about 16, 17. Oh,

And I know what you did. You went like this. You started looking around and you went, how much is the fucking insurance? Oh, fuck no, no,

No. I wasn’t even thinking about that Then I was thinking, I want an old car. I wanted a new car. Exactly.

My mom had somebody come. Yeah, her second marriage in it. We had a 72 Monte Carlo in the car. My mom, very nice lady. Had some guy come in and fix it. Oh, he fixed it. All right. And he stole it. And she never called the police on him. Jesus. My mom’s like, dad, what a Catholic. Take it. Oh


I know legacy partners in case your car gets stolen. (586) 209-4106. Just call my man Eric (586) 209-4106. Or just go to their website and go click the link to get started. And that is, what is the website, bro? I think there’s a link on our site. I don’t do no stinking website. I call 5 8 6 2 0 9 4 1 0 6. Eric, text me. Text me to website, bro. Yes. All right. Listen, here’s the deal. We started, isn’t it interesting, Karen? We start going, wait a minute, what’s going on with the development and billions we’re given big business and nothing’s getting finished. We start doing that and then press releases start going out. All of a sudden, the mayor wants to tax or uncork the taxes on everybody’s home in Michigan in order to take care of the guys downtown when you really do the math. And then wouldn’t it? The book tower, which is part of a nearly $700 million aid package to Dan Gilbert, cuts the ribbon. It’s open. It’s open. And the media goes there and it’s open. Well, homie, don’t play that. We went there and here’s our report. So the latest hustle coming out of Detroit City Hall Uncork, everybody’s property taxes in the state of Michigan to ignite development in the city. Mayor Mike wants to increase taxes by 50 bucks on vacant lots like this. And then he wants to cut taxes by millions on skyscrapers owned by billionaires like this.
And that’s supposed to create billions of dollars in development. But how, Mike, look at the skyscrapers. We’ve already paid hundreds of millions of dollars for in Detroit. What a joke. So desperate to cover the failure of the mega welfare to billionaires. The mayor, the governor and the billionaire himself had a ribbon cutting ceremony.

And after decades of use, it was left to decay. But today it is opening with over 200 apartments, a hotel, an event space, multiple restaurants. This will be critical in the new chapter for the city of Detroit.

Downtown Babs ain’t buying. Is it done?

No, it’s not. They still have more work to


What about that up there? What about that? Well, what about that? What about that? What about that and what about that and what about that and what about that

And that and that and that and that and that and that and that and that.

So they get this lane brain idea, a study of 17 Podunk towns in Pennsylvania that was paid for by the billionaire billion. Here’s Evansburg, Pennsylvania. Here’s Titusville, Pennsylvania. Now they want to play with your property taxes. Michigan. Remember those taxes pay for schools. And here’s the school in Duggins Detroit with a crack house right across the street.

Take down the drug house, please.

They say a man’s home is his castle, but the money mob and his henchman want to penetrate the walls. I say throw ’em in the moat.

And for those that are just listening and not watching for every, and that it just is an incomplete building, it is a construction site. I mean, there are people working on the video, so if you’re just listening, go watch it because it’s pretty astonishing. Where should

They watch it?

Oh, wherever you post it. Twitter, YouTube, anywhere but Facebook. No, it’ll be on Facebook. It’ll be on Facebook and we’ll put it, we’ll reluctantly put it up on Facebook. But

How’s our Twitter feed going? Is it is

Running? It says it’s running. Well, I’m

Right. Well, because we’re trying. But go to iTunes. Like I said, we’re rocking and rolling there, man. You know, can’t stop us. You can’t get better stuff than this. You get the inside of Trump, you get the inside of the book tower. And as I reported last week, I got one of Doug and spin doctors calling me going, Hey, don’t be so hard on this tax plan. Have you read the report? Pittsburgh is really rocking. And I said, wait a minute. Pittsburgh hasn’t done this split tax thing where they increased your property taxes on your property by 300% and lower the property taxes on your house by 30%. We end up losing. So I go, did you know Pittsburgh hasn’t done this in a quarter century? And then the spend doctor hung up on me and gave me an idea. Why don’t we find the mayor of Pittsburgh from 25 years ago when they stopped doing this? And by the magic of radio earlier today, here is the mayor of Pittsburgh, Tom Murphy, Tom Murphy, senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute, and the mayor of Pittsburgh from 1994 to 2006. How you doing, Tom?

I’m doing well, Charlie. How are you?

I’m really well, sir. Now, just so everybody knows, you and I talked earlier in the week because a study was floated here in Michigan about this split tax right policy and a highlight of the study is Pittsburgh. And yet I noticed Pittsburgh hasn’t been engaged in a split tax policy since you were mayor, what, in 2000?

Yeah. Yeah. And I would re say we regret having to eliminate it. And I can go in. So let me explain to your listeners that Pittsburgh had for many years, and I can’t remember the name, but there was a theory about governance, which said you should tax land a lot more than the improvement. So Pittsburgh had a tax taxed land six times raw land, six times more the millage rate than what the improvements were. And we liked it generally. But the Connie was required by a court order to reassess. And the system they used to do the reassessments, the computers could not take into account that split system. It could completely screwed up people’s taxes. So people were getting taxed at rates that were completely out of the ballpark. So the only way to fix it for us was to eliminate that split tax, which we did. I would be a proponent of it. It would encourage you to think about using it. Let me just say though, it works best where there’s a healthy real estate market so that there’s a demand for the property. If in Detroit and Pittsburgh are very similar as that, we had a lot of property that there was no demand for.

So, so you’re saying back in the day in Pittsburgh, which was very much like Detroit at the turn of the century, a verge of bankruptcy that because Pittsburgh had so much land that wasn’t of use at that time, that without the higher tax rate you would’ve collapsed.

So when our steel industry went down about the same time your automobile industry went down, Pittsburgh lost half of its population. So we went from a city of 600,000 people in 1970 to a city of 300,000 people in 1990. And so we had thousands of parcels of vacant tax delinquent land. So the bifurcated tax was meaningless because nobody wanted to buy the land

Like here. So you’re saying in a look, this study, this study’s basically, it’s a, no offense sir, but they study 17 towns in Pennsylvania, which is less than 2% of the entire population. And they’re not booming metropolis. This is like Titusville, right? Population 5,000. You ever been to Evansburg?


Yeah. It’s a sleepy little town population. 3000. When you’re saying if you guys want to go to this new tax system, maybe if we’re going to uncork all the property tax in the state of Michigan, we oughta wait a little bit. You don’t think this is going to be the gateway to booming?

It would work best where there’s a healthy real estate market where there’s demand for the real estate. And so not here. What should discourage is people sitting on raw land, it doesn’t produce value because you’re paying so much more in taxes on that raw land proportionally than what you would pay if you built a house or an office building either something.

Yeah. Well based on what Pittsburgh did last century, we’re talking about this thing is going to create a boom building cycle which would replace all the lost tax revenue. Because as it stands, if we went to the model that you’re talking about, we would lose 30, 40, 50, 150 million in property tax revenue. How are we supposed to make that back?

Why? How would you lose that? Understand,

Lemme explain. Because if you’re going to, we have a lot of skyscrapers. So if you tax the land, it’s sitting on at 300% higher, but the 50 story building, it gets taxed at 30% less. You can see a 20 million hole.

But you can could potentially, right? And you would have to figure that out. Now preach brother. What we would try to do, what we tried to do when we were forced to by because of reassessment, is that we tried to make people harmless. So we would hold them, try to hold them harmless. But you’re absolutely correct. There’s that people that have property now under your old system where the value is in the development and not in the land, then you that potentially they would get a windfall tax de re decrease. Look

At you the of the senior fellow Urban Land Institute, and here we go again. The rich guy who’s getting all the tax breaks is going get another tax break. And we don’t know, this is how we pay for schools, sir. Public schools, it, it’s,

We all have that struggle. Charlie,

It’s too much of a gamble for me just to blow up the property

Taxes. No, it a big gamble. I mean, it could be a big gamble. And the problem is in cities like Pittsburgh, you have so

Much, but do we want to gamble

Untapped land that is sitting there right now vacant because of the industry and what happened? And so how you value on that is that you don’t want to penalize it by, you want to have people make investments and so you don’t want to penalize them. So that the challenge with taxes are really important in cities like Detroit and Pittsburgh because you don’t want to cross an further impediment to want to PE make people invest.

So Tom Murphy,

Detroit, I mean to get people to invest in certain claims like old industrial property, we faced this with steel bills, you actually have to provide additional subsidy to them. The market rate market does not work. That property is now has, is a liability for

You. So tax cuts and sweeteners. So if I might, let me wind this up. Tom, Tom Murphy generally considered to be the engineer, the architect of the new Pittsburgh, the guy that brought it back from the brink, senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute is saying, woo, woo, woo. Now hold your horses. It’s best to take a look. Go slowly here and maybe somebody should call Tom Murphy before you start putting Tom Murphy’s Pittsburgh into your studies.

I’m happy to have a conversation, but it taxes are one piece of a, a company making the decision where they want to locate. And my bet is for your leaders in Charlie, for you in Detroit is the big issue is to get jobs back to Detroit.

Thank you. Tom Murphy, a former mayor of Pittsburgh and senior fellow at the Urban Land Institute. We’ll be talking more as the year goes on, Tom,

That’s fine. And I love your office. One of the reasons I want to talk to you boys is I love your

Office. Thank you. And the way you have your camera angled, it reminds me of Willy Wonka Chocolate Factory.

I’ll talk to you.

Okay, thank you. Tom. Tom Murphy. Look at that. Tom Murphy. There’s a guy we should be listening to.

Yeah, you’ve been through it, right? Yeah. It seems so obvious. But instead they just want to use that and use the positives of it and not look at any of the pitfalls that might happen.

Pitfalls Pittsburgh. I get what you’re doing there. Who

Doesn’t like a stupid pun,

But again, I mean this is monumental what they’re floating out there. And when I get the spin, doctors calling me and say, ha, have you looked at how successful this is in Pittsburgh? And nobody seems to realize Pittsburgh hasn’t done this in quarter century.

And then you can say, not only have I looked into it, I’ve talked to the architect of it and he still has questions. And

Then, you know what the mayor said, they’re also, it just went biased. But if you’re going to monkey with an established property tax system, look what the courts did in what, I assume it’s Allegheny County. I might be wrong. Wherever Pittsburgh is. Yeah, it

Sounds pretty right? Yeah.

The court said, Hey listen, you need an accurate assessment of your property values. And then when they went to do it, they went through the roof and it blew this all up. So I’m like, no way. This is flimsy as shit. These 17 municipalities. Yeah. I added up their total population. What was it, 300, 2000? Huh? It’s not even 50% of Detroit.

Yeah. Well the thing too is you’re making this cut, this guaranteed cut for a wish. Right? The wish that you’re going to have more development. Right?

No, that’s the horses shit sell here, in my opinion.

But that’s not a guarantee.

The puppet master is Dan Gilbert. Dan Gilbert own owns a block of property that’s just gone in the toilet. He’s now responsible for the tax rate. He winds up his doll, Mike Duggan. They get a few people to call how lame brain is the free press, the editorial board without seeing any data, without calling Tom Murphy and say, Hey, this is a great idea. What dopes? Yeah, you idiots. Keep your hands off my house and off the kids’ education and do some serious work and


Yeah. Or we, Karen. Karen went on let it rip. And with one of Duggan’s surrogates, one of his spin doctors. And did you edit that up?

I did, yeah. I took out the most important part. Yep.

What most You took out the most. You took out the most

Important part. I pulled the most important

Part. Oh, and that’s what we get to see now. Yeah. Ah, let’s let it roll.

The land value tax plan is something that is very smart for the first time in decades. We’re getting at really the heart of what’s the issue. Well,

And Karen, we’ll let your respond and then we’ll move forward with some of the other candidates

Step. That’s fine. That’s no problem. He’s done that. Well, I mean ahead, John. The thing about it isn’t, again, we actually peeled this apart tonight on the podcast. Let’s take this for example. You’ve got 90,000 parcels of land in the city of Detroit. 60,000 of those parcels are owned by the Land Bank. So they’re owned by the city of Detroit. 30,000 of them are owned by five entities in the city. When you’re talking structures, that tax implication also benefits. People like Dan Gilbert, the Eges, the maroons, the large structural property owners, what’s going to happen to the school taxes? What’s going to happen to the dollars that are going into our place? I’m saying you’ve got to look at that. And this isn’t the time to do it, but you really need to appeal.

Actually, those are non-homestead properties. The city is making more from those five,

But these

In all of them. But residents are owners. But Charlie,


Home ownership,

But they’re not. And all I’m saying is that you’ve got to look past the narrative. If there’s one thing that Mike Duggan has done, he has changed the perception of this city. I give them credit for that. But the reality, we did a story on the Pulaski School. There’s a drug house across the street. I spoke at a school the other day. I thought I had the wrong address because the school looked as though it should have been closed. So yeah, there’s a lot of work to be done and your perception is different. It was completely different when you were on the other side. And I respect that. But

I, hold on. I want to make it very clear when I talk about Detroit, I talk about someone who lives in Detroit. I and experience every day just like you do. So to try to, but you minimize. I’m

Not what I saying, I’m not minimizing

My experience and what I’m seeing, Alexis is actually just as bad.

But I dealt with you as what


Else? I was in the male office


You had a completely different approach. And it’s very different when your perception is based on your paycheck. I get

To, I think there’s a lot bitterness cause lives a very different time, a very different style lives. And I think I’m not bitter. We should have a different conversation.

Why don’t we have about 90 seconds? Agreed. I want to talk to you about this. Oh,

Oh my god. Rub. What are you doing finally? It’s letting it rip. We got a cat fight and he wants to move along. Karen, unbelievable. Yes. I don’t think you were bitter.

No, I’m not bitter. But this is the thing. Mike Duncan just moved here. Alexis Wiley just moved here. I’ve lived here longer than both of them have been here combined. That’s the first thing. The second thing is that everybody is so hell bent on agreeing with and supporting whatever Mike Duggans says without question, you know, didn’t show the opening of the show. And they says, you’ve been very critical. It’s not about being critical, it’s about being objective and not just swallowing everything that they push out. I mean, it’s really unfortunate that nobody has the balls, for lack of a better word to question Charlie. I mean, seriously, nobody wants to question anything, you know, could listen. Even the banter in between. Oh yeah. Well we’ve been out for the demolition. We’ve seen what the city has done. Mike Duggans said, get off of the expressway and drive through the city. I do it all the time. I see a completely different reality than what is pushed in the narrative. And when this interview was over, Alexis was complimented on her presentation of the talking points. And I let all of them know. I said, you all don’t know or won’t admit 90% of what’s really going on here. And that’s unfortunate to the people who look to you all for objective information.

Yeah. What’s hard is we’re social with these people. I’ve worked with these people. I call these people friends. So it’s really hard. But now we’re getting into an era of really cataclysmic public policy. It’s not thought out. This is a great idea. You just heard from the mayor of Pittsburgh who’s the spine of this report. He says, it’s not great idea when they talk about demolition. And we all know, and there’ll be many, the feds just dropped a bunch more subpoenas and we’re getting bullshit whether you live here or not. Listen Michigan, it now affects all of us. You could say Detroit, go to hell. This thing is coming out of Detroit. And the math makes no sense. So I know, Karen, a lot of media concerns want you to come and be part of them.
And me as your friend, your deep friend, I encourage that. I want you to are the smart, elegant, experienced person in this and all that can do. I could be very selfish, but selfishly that can. I like that you said we did the crunching on the program. I like the fact that you are one of the elegant people who actually goes out there, not to the athletic club. You go there too, not to New Orleans. You go there too. You go to the east side, you go to the west side, the schools, you go uptown, you go downtown. We need you. I like that fight. They, Bess has some respect because I wrote down the majority Charlie was saying was these properties, these non-homestead, taxed, vacant, lots of the majority of the taxes. That couldn’t be further from the truth. This town needs you.

But this is the thing though, Charlie, and this is what I want people to understand. I can disagree with you and it should not be, and I mean with anybody, it should not be viewed as disrespectful or a form of dislike. You can’t be in a public position whether you’re an elected position or you’re serving the public in another capacity and be petty or be sensitive. We as residents, as taxpayers, as people, occupants in this region, have a right to question. We have a right to disagree. We have a right to have spirited discussion. I mean, if you all could have seen what the conversation that took place off camera, it was absolutely ridiculous. Like, and I stayed there and talked for a long time because I said, you all don’t know a lot of what’s even going. I told them some things and they said, are you serious? Yes, I am serious. There are a lot of things that we know that deserve questions, that deserve answers and we are not getting it. And it’s to our disservice collectively, Detroiters, people in the surrounding area and people throughout this state, we deserve better.

And if, look, I’m not a tax revolt. I love it here. I’m not moving. But I want a better place. And we need people like you to raise the questions. And I’ll be your bud. I’ll be your friend. And we think hard about this there. There’s nothing to be gained here. If this was great and the mayor of Pittsburgh goes, we made a kabillion dollars. I’m like, well, let’s do it. Sure. But exactly. Do yourself a favor. Look into this study. Look who’s on the board of directors. Look who commissioned it. Connect the dots. Who commissioned it? And I’m talking to people in this organization that put this study together. And when I’m talking to him and then talking to Karen, because I can’t tell you who I talked to you folks, but this doesn’t fit Detroit. It doesn’t fit Michigan. This is 17 po dunks. It might’ve worked for them over the last 50 years, but no big city does it. And to be moving right along when Domi is telling you, hold on a minute, we haven’t discussed schools or policing

Police. Yep, you’re right.

There’s going to be, that’s be, yeah, go.

People have to understand that enhancing, stabilizing the quality of life in any city, Detroit or any other city is what is the best attraction and retention strategy ever. So you can gloss over something as much as you want, but when the quality of life is compromised and not in invest it in, then you’re not going to ever have what you’re telling people you have. And that’s our situation. People are concerned about crime, people are concerned about education. People are concerned about the overall quality of life here. I mean, I had somebody tell me the other day, they said, yeah, all of these affordable allocations and the 20% based on federal dollars on these developments, they have kids who come in and their parents are paying their rent. It’s, it’s all a shell game. It is all a shell game to talk collect.

I tell you what I tell like the 80 20 low income. Yep. We got a tool set for you to move in. You see that at the book tower? Oh my god. Yeah. Now we get along with working people and the working people over there telling me the grand openings coming in August and I gave ’em one of these August time and they got to laugh. You could see that half the building doesn’t even have walls put in yet. Oh yeah. I mean, you ain’t fooling us and we’re not stopping. No way, dude. No way. This is, it is voodoo. And if you want to throw pennies to the people and give ’em $200 a year off their property taxes, which you owe them, then just do it. That’s only 30 million. You gave Gilbert a 60 million break on a skyscraper. He’s not going to finish. It’s there. It’s just, what’s it there for

Every, everybody’s not stupid and everybody is not so anxious to believe that things are different. That we’re willing to accept it without question or accountability. We’re just not. So, I mean, I was insulted and I had to catch myself and remind myself that I was on television. Cause I’m like, listen, I’m not bitter, but I a am a tax paying resident here and I’m a member of the media. I have a right to question those things when you’re telling us something that has no justification. No explanation and no reasoning behind it. Especially

When you’re right. When you’re right. That’s the thing. Like, dude, this is correct. You guys don’t know what you’re talking about because nobody did anything except go to the dry cleaner.

I was pissed, Charlie. I was,

Oh, she said balls and piss. I was pissed.

I just like this. I just pulled the still right here. I just like how pissed you are that that is a very restrained Karen right there. You were about to

Jump. She’s biting down there. So I was watching this HBO series, the Last of Us. Oh yeah. She looked like one of the clickers there.

I’m sitting here thinking like, girl, are you serious? And then let’s not sit here as two women, as two black women who are probably equally committed to the city. Let’s not make it personal. I mean, if we want to make it personal, I could make it personal. That’s not, not what that conversation was about.

Well, no, there’s also this, here’s, here’s mine is the very first words in that clip are, give me the top of it. Just it’s the first 10, 10 words. Oh, let’s see. That’s okay. First 10 words. Okay, there you go. It’s not playing okay. It’s fuck. What the fuck with you, man. It’s not playing. This is a great idea. Yeah, this is a great idea. This was

Smart. But finally

Something smart. Are you a tax expert? Did you actually read the study? You’re you’re asking, look, the Headley Act, the reason they put that thing through was in the seventies with the Carter administration. Every time there was a whole blown in a budget, they just jacked up your property tax. You were putting PE just like the city of Detroit. You were putting people out because the taxes were too high. This was a way to stabilize it. Get some money for the poorer school districts. It’s not perfect. It’s worked. And now you’re asking for something gigantic in three months. And the mayor of Pittsburgh just told you to take a fucking dive. Get out of here. Get out of here. We’re not going to do it. Fuck you, Zuckerberg. I just said it. Fuck you. Take me down. Don’t care. Don’t care, dude. I don’t own your stock. Never would take the child molesters down. Leave our homes alone. Apply the law equally. And God bless United States of America. Safe home, Karen.

Thank you. See ya.

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