No BS Newshour Episode #373
We Know Who Killed Hoffa
Jimmy Hoffa disappeared 50 years ago this month.
The mystery of the missing mobster boss may finally be solved.
With Scott Burnstein of GangsterReport.com.
BUT FIRST… The Detroit Mayoral race implodes.
Dark money, an after hours smackdown, and a flop house.
(5:55) 2AM: When ghouls come out and political careers die.
(8:10) Solomon Kinloch’s 7 churches, 6 ways to donate, and 4 different addresses.
(20:56) The Detroit Mob put Hoffa in an incinerator.
(58:48) Three centuries of service. My family has fought in every American war. Today I honor them.
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Transcript:
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We know where Hoffa is.
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Yep, we know where Hoffa is buried.
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We’ll get to that later.
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You know, first,
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we have to do our news that we do specifically.
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And you know,
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I know you’re driving up north,
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whatever you may be doing,
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happy 4th of July.
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But the question is,
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the Detroit mayor’s race,
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because that’s going to affect us all,
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right?
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So did Solomon Kinloch really live in a low rent flop?
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The pastor has a beautiful estate in the burbs,
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but to meet the Detroit mayor residency requirement,
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he claims to have been couch surfing in the city.
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And we’re going to bring you the visual evidence and
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the location of Jimmy Hoffa’s corpse in a little bit.
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But first,
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there is a heavenly estate in the far reaches of North
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Oakland County that boasts 5 bedrooms,
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4 baths, and a good night pool.
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This sumptuous 5,177 square foot grotto has an estimated
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value of 1.6 million large.
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For the past 10 years,
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it has been the home of Solomon Kinloch Jr.,
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senior pastor of Triumph Church.
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Triumph is a mega worship complex with 7,
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7 locations across metropolitan Detroit advertising
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six ways to donate.
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Kinloch’s Manor is located in Oakland Township in a
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quiet neighborhood,
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the type where everyone seems to die of boredom.
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The mailboxes are replicas of the homes themselves,
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the grounds are immaculately manicured,
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and the commute to Detroit City Hall is a mere 50
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minutes with light traffic and no Rd.
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construction.
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Not too bad when Jesus is your copilot,
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but not so good when you’re running to be Detroit’s
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next mayor.
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Kinloch is a nice guy,
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I do not doubt.
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A man of faith and good deeds,
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it is said,
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but with its current financial straits,
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Detroit needs a mayor with a certain worldly sophistication,
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one who understands municipal finance,
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union negotiations,
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and pension obligations.
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Besides,
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Detroit deserves a guy who actually lives in the city.
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Now, Kinloch claims that he does live in Detroit and
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has done so of March of last year.
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According to the city charter,
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candidates for municipal office must have lived in
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the city for at least one year before filing paperwork.
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So the question’s simple enough.
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Where does the pastor lay his head?
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Kinloch has had four domiciles in the past year,
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having wandered more than Moses himself.
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There’s the manor in Oakland County for one and another
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three addresses in the city.
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Last March,
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Kinloch supposedly left his wife and child to fend
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for themselves all the way up there in Oakland County
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while he registered his new living quarters at a pay-as-you-go
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dump on Michigan Avenue popular with European backpackers.
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Kinloch apparently stayed on the 9th floor,
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which sports code locks on the doors,
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paint falling off the walls,
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and stains on the carpet.
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His room was located near the garbage chute.
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So there’s that.
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Ten weeks later,
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Kinloch moved in with his brother in an apartment
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on Gratiot Avenue near Greektown.
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He allegedly stayed there for six months,
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according to the voter registration records.
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One wonders which brother did the shopping.
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and which claimed the toilets.
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During this time,
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Kinloch’s wife moved into the same building as Kinloch
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and his brother,
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but into a different unit.
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Kinloch did not change his address to his wife’s new
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apartment for another two months,
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according to the records.
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Why?
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Maybe he really liked his brother’s kitchen cacciatore.
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I don’t know.
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Now this from the campaign.
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Solomon Kinloch has a valid license.
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His
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Detroit address was verified when he filed a run for
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mayor.
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He voted in the 2024 election at his Detroit polling
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location using the current address.
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Now the problem with that statement is that Kinloch
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has a new current address.
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No one in his camp,
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it seems,
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can get the story straight.
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There’s A whiff of dishonesty about the whole thing,
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minister.
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It’s not too much to ask a mayor
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to know his own zip code,
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and to actually want to live among the people he represents.
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Can I get an amen?
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Roll it.
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Live from downtown Detroit is the No Bullshit News
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Hour with my main man,
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Charlie Lazada.
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And Karen Dumas.
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We’re just breaking up.
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Double more bullshit.
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Double more bullshit.
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in the Pepsi.
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Come on down to American Coney Island,
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all Pepsi product.
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I’m just trying to move product.
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Do not put hot coffee in your Pepsi cup.
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That’s what we learned today.
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Now, we know where Jimmy Hoffa is,
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but I’m not gonna tell you yet.
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I have to finish with this whole Detroit mayor mess.
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Okay, so Mary Sheffield,
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city council president,
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Leads in all the polls.
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But ML Elrick,
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friend of the show,
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friend of mine,
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top notch,
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Pulitzer Prize winning reporter.
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Oh, he’d been whooping that ass,
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man.
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So let’s see here.
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She says she’s not taking money from billionaires or
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PACs.
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Lie.
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Turns out her billboards got shady characters attached
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to them.
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One guy tried to shake down Monica Conyers so he could
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get a titty club in the city.
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And then there’s guys
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wrapped up in car theft and the towing mob contract
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shit.
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It’s all really fucking weird,
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right?
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Then we got,
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if you guys watch the debates,
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the no bullshit news hour mayoral debates,
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Jonathan Barlow,
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the guy that got up,
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acted like a tough guy and took off his jacket,
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really made a name for himself and went viral this
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week for bit slapping a chick with a phone at 2:00
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in the morning with a drink in his hand.
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Said he was,
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what was he doing?
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Parking cars?
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Yeah, that’s what he that’s what he said.
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What a drink in your hand.
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Yeah, parking cars,
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helping out the community all at 2 in the morning.
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I think this,
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I don’t know.
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See, that’s why we had to start out with the Detroit
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mayor shit,
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because apparently everybody in America is in the
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Detroit mayor shit,
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because this thing got like 3,
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4 million views already.
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Let’s roll it.
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Oh, you look stoned as shit.
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Oh, roll it again,
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dude.
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Oh my God.
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What the fuck is he on?
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Wow, put that on a billboard,
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Mary.
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Holy smokes.
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Let’s show it again.
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Oh my God.
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It looked like Bella Lugosi,
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this motherfucker.
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Hold on a second.
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It’s…
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Oh my God,
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it’s Cloud Blacula.
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What the fuck is going on?
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Whoa! Well,
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it was a short,
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beautiful career.
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One more time.
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What is he thinking?
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That’s what he looked like when he took his jacket
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off into the base.
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Yeah, and rolled up his sleeves,
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yeah.
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So there’s that.
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All right,
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so you know,
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to be fair,
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Here’s the visual.
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Now, if you’re driving,
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don’t watch this ’cause traffic’s heavy on seventy-five.
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If you’re driving,
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you can watch this later.
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It’s a pretty good video.
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Actually, it’s an excellent video.
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It’s edited by Ken Beck,
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partner at the Michigan Enjoyer.
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And you can find that on my social media accounts,
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Charlotte Duff,
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YouTube, all that.
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But we’ll repost it tomorrow.
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But let’s take a look at the saga of Jonathan
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Moses Junior Kinloch.
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This estate is owned by Triumph Megachurch Pastor Solomon
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Kinloch.
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If you are in anything that Jesus is not in,
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then you ought to want to get yourself out of it.
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He wants to be Detroit’s next mayor,
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but he hasn’t lived in the city in decades.
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And why would he?
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It’s really nice up here.
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The mailbox looked like little houses and the grass
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is manicured 1 knuckle high.
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The irony’s not lost on the gardeners.
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Estar el mayor de Detroit pero el vivier qui.
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It’s ridiculous,
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eh?
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It’s one of those tasteful Tony’s suburbs where no
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one gets shot.
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But people are dying to move in.
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Hmm.
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No one home.
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Maybe we should check his Detroit addresses.
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The pastor’s estate is closer to Flint than to Detroit
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City Hall.
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And if he does live up here,
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then the commute is going to be 50 minutes,
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barring traffic and construction.
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And in Michigan,
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there’s always construction.
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But the minister insists he does live in Detroit.
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To beat the residency deadline last year,
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Kinloch claims he moved into this pay-as-you-go dump
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on Michigan Avenue.
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So apparently he stayed here at this half-built scuzz
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hotel, right near the elevator.
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Pastor of the megachurch.
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Ten weeks.
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Here.
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Near the trash chute.
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So that’s handy.
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Meanwhile,
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the pastor left his wife and kid way up there in the
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burbs.
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The reverend stayed at the flop house for three months,
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and then he claims he moved in with his brother here
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for the next six months.
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I wonder which guy did the shopping and which guy cleaned
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the toilets.
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Then Kinloch’s wife moved into the same building in
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December,
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but the pastor didn’t change address until February.
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The irony’s not lost on the security guard.
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That’s what the gardener said.
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Oh, there’s a bunch of Kenlocks.
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Calling, please hold.
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The mailbox is full and cannot accept any messages
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at this time.
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Goodbye.
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That would be weird.
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You’re living here and someone came to see you and
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they’re…
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No messages.
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So to sum it up,
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Pastor Kinloch has seven churches in Metro Detroit,
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six ways to donate,
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and four different addresses.
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People are laughing because they all get the joke.
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Where do you live,
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Pastor?
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Trey would like to know.
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And A lawsuit’s coming too.
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That’s a great piece.
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I love it.
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My God, this is so fun.
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And you know,
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like there’s another guy,
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Todd Perkins,
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who seems most reasonable,
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tied in, Ivy League educated,
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born on the north side of Detroit,
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actually writes the municipal law in the city.
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And the money,
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the power that be,
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the Mackinac,
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the regional conference,
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he wasn’t invited.
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He wasn’t invited to this Crane’s thing.
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He wasn’t invited to Channel 4’s boring.
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shit a palooza of a thing.
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But when he was at ours,
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he impressed.
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I thought he’s good.
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I like him.
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I don’t know why they can’t make room in their boring
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programs for the rest,
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you know,
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for this guy again.
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Put a bar light.
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I’d invite this guy anytime,
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man, just for the ratings.
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Go ahead, 3 million.
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Okay, now the primary election is early August.
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Please vote and vote off in Detroit.
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Now let’s,
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Jimmy Hoffa.
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I think we know where Jimmy Hoffa is.
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Let me bring into the program,
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old friend of the show,
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true crime writer,
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one of the best
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in the country,
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board member of the Mob Museum in Vegas,
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and a guy who knows all things P.
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Diddy.
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All things.
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What’s up,
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brother?
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What’s up,
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Scott?
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Thanks for having me,
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Charlie.
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I’m your biggest fan,
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man.
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You really,
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you’re really an inspiration,
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man.
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What you’ve been able to do with this podcast and you
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were a pioneer,
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you and guys like Drew Lane and that really understood
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that you didn’t need mainstream media anymore.
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You could do your own thing,
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go direct to consumer.
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And it’s really,
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you know,
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inspired me and
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Got me off and running on my own brand So I owe a debt
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to to you and drew who kind of showed me that this
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was the way to go.
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I’ll let him know Yeah,
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I know that’s how I know that’s how I know What’s
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my name?
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Well listen,
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I just I Nothing’s planned here the other night.
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I get home and it’s basically dude
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We know where his Hoff is.
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We know who killed him,
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and we’re going to tell everyone.
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Whoa.
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Okay, tell us.
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He forgot to wear a belt.
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So where were we?
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We’re talking about how it’s 50 years since Jimmy Hoffa
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disappeared,
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and we’re finally gonna put a bow on this thing and
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tell everybody exactly what happened and who did it
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and where the body is.
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OK, so.
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Might as well.
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Are you gonna tell us?
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Because I know you’re doing like a cabaret evening.
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Well, you’re doing a cabaret evening.
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Yeah.
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So July 23rd out at Macomb Community College,
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7:00 to 9:00.
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Nothing but class community.
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So he’s underneath Macomb Community College.
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It’s at South Campus.
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It’s in their performing Performing Arts auditorium.
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We’re hoping to get about 500 people out there and
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then we’re hoping to replicate the event if if this
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first one goes well.
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So it’s going to be a 90 minute multimedia presentation,
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never before seen video,
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never before seen photos,
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all directly from FBI archives.
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I’m doing it along with a former Detroit mobster named
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Novi Toko and a former Toko family.
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Yeah, the Toko is early crime family.
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And then with a retired federal prosecutor,
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Rick Convertino.
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The three of us have come to a consensus.
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We kind of hid it from,
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you know,
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kind of.
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We hid it from three different angles,
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from a research angle,
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investigative angle,
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which I’ve been doing for 20 years.
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We hid it from the actual crime family that that did
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the deed,
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which Novi Toko represents.
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And then we hid it from an investigative angle from
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the government who who’s been looking into this for
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50 years.
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And shout out to to Rick Conventino,
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who’s become a good friend of mine.
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He was on top of this before anybody.
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He, and again,
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I don’t want to give away what we’re going to be talking
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about on July 23rd,
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but he nailed this down back in 1993 and he actually
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brought it to me several years after that.
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I didn’t dismiss it,
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but I I definitely didn’t fully co-sign it.
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And now, you know,
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almost over 30 years later,
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what he came forward with back in the 90s,
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which was dismissed by the federal government.
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So Carvertino,
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being a Detroit-based federal prosecutor,
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might know a few things.
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He gives it to you.
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And then over the decades you’re doing independent
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verification,
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Freedom of Information,
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FBI, FBI Archives,
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interviewing.
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I interviewed almost,
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I would say 95%
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of 9095% of all the agents that worked the case from
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1975.
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Through 2005,
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I’ve interviewed 30 retired FBI agents,
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numerous people on the street,
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including at least two people that were involved in
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the conspiracy.
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According to the FBI,
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I was able to interview and Toko the rat.
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Is the family going to whack him?
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Well, he’s been back here now for 10 years out of witness
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protection.
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He waited until Jack Toko died.
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Jack Toko was the the godfather,
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the one that did want to kill him.
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And Jack Toko died in 2015 in in the summer.
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Why do you want to kill him?
526
00:18:54,825 –> 00:18:58,505
Because Novi became the first ever member of the crime
527
00:18:58,505 –> 00:19:01,545
family to turn government cooperator.
528
00:19:01,545 –> 00:19:02,105
Who’d he turn on?
529
00:19:02,105 –> 00:19:02,505
The family.
530
00:19:02,905 –> 00:19:03,945
He turned on the entire family.
531
00:19:03,945 –> 00:19:04,505
Yes, but he.
532
00:19:04,665 –> 00:19:05,305
But just to be,
533
00:19:05,705 –> 00:19:08,345
I want to be very clear now.
534
00:19:08,505 –> 00:19:10,345
Yes, Novi was a cooperator,
535
00:19:10,665 –> 00:19:13,305
but his cooperation was considerably.
536
00:19:13,305 –> 00:19:15,305
You know where the word cooperator comes from?
537
00:19:15,305 –> 00:19:15,865
It’s Latin.
538
00:19:16,985 –> 00:19:18,505
Translates loosely into rat.
539
00:19:19,305 –> 00:19:20,785
Rat Fink to be specific,
540
00:19:21,465 –> 00:19:23,025
but but no offense to the guy you know.
541
00:19:23,225 –> 00:19:25,785
Well, I just want people to know that you know his
542
00:19:25,785 –> 00:19:28,985
cooperation was a lot different than most mobsters
543
00:19:28,985 –> 00:19:29,785
cooperation.
544
00:19:30,105 –> 00:19:32,025
He never testified in a trial.
545
00:19:32,025 –> 00:19:33,465
He never wore a wire.
546
00:19:34,185 –> 00:19:35,785
He simply debriefed.
547
00:19:36,105 –> 00:19:37,185
For a lesser sentence.
548
00:19:37,185 –> 00:19:38,785
So they never used him as a,
549
00:19:39,465 –> 00:19:39,705
you know,
550
00:19:39,745 –> 00:19:41,025
as an instrument to go after.
551
00:19:41,025 –> 00:19:41,705
So we got you,
552
00:19:42,025 –> 00:19:42,665
by the way,
553
00:19:42,665 –> 00:19:44,105
like I’ve got your books,
554
00:19:44,105 –> 00:19:44,345
man.
555
00:19:44,505 –> 00:19:44,865
Thank you.
556
00:19:44,865 –> 00:19:46,505
Just like the best crime writing.
557
00:19:46,505 –> 00:19:47,065
And it’s true.
558
00:19:47,065 –> 00:19:47,945
It’s it’s true crime.
559
00:19:47,945 –> 00:19:48,585
It’s all true crime,
560
00:19:48,585 –> 00:19:48,745
right?
561
00:19:48,745 –> 00:19:50,585
It’s it’s it’s excellent.
562
00:19:51,385 –> 00:19:53,625
And it all start really all started with this 20 years
563
00:19:53,625 –> 00:19:54,025
ago.
564
00:19:54,185 –> 00:19:55,545
It all started with Hoffa.
565
00:19:55,945 –> 00:19:58,745
I got a book deal when I was 2829 years old.
566
00:19:59,305 –> 00:20:00,945
I was going to write about the history of the Detroit
567
00:20:00,945 –> 00:20:01,425
Mafia.
568
00:20:01,425 –> 00:20:04,025
And when you’re going to dive into the deep end of
569
00:20:04,025 –> 00:20:05,465
writing about the history of Detroit Mafia,
570
00:20:05,465 –> 00:20:08,105
the first thing you’re going to hit is Jimmy Hoffa.
571
00:20:08,425 –> 00:20:10,305
And so I’ve been on top of this for 20 years.
572
00:20:10,305 –> 00:20:13,385
I’d like to consider myself the preeminent expert in
573
00:20:13,385 –> 00:20:14,345
the world on this.
574
00:20:15,145 –> 00:20:15,625
I I would,
575
00:20:15,705 –> 00:20:18,665
I would say you are now and I’m eager to to to let
576
00:20:18,665 –> 00:20:21,065
everybody know and have them come out and experience
577
00:20:21,065 –> 00:20:21,345
this.
578
00:20:21,345 –> 00:20:22,385
Where do they get the tickets?
579
00:20:22,385 –> 00:20:27,625
Where do we You can get ogmediaevents.com ogmediaevents.com
580
00:20:27,945 –> 00:20:29,425
and they’re 30 bucks a pop.
581
00:20:29,585 –> 00:20:30,985
OK, so you know,
582
00:20:30,985 –> 00:20:32,345
for two people serving some Danish.
583
00:20:32,665 –> 00:20:33,625
Yeah, we’ll we’ll have some,
584
00:20:34,425 –> 00:20:34,585
you know,
585
00:20:34,585 –> 00:20:35,705
some refreshments.
586
00:20:36,185 –> 00:20:38,985
And you’re gonna come out and you’re gonna get,
587
00:20:39,065 –> 00:20:39,385
you know,
588
00:20:39,945 –> 00:20:42,185
some meatballs and lead sandwiches.
589
00:20:42,585 –> 00:20:45,225
You’re gonna get answers to questions that have been
590
00:20:45,225 –> 00:20:46,665
percolating for 1/2 century.
591
00:20:46,665 –> 00:20:47,025
All right.
592
00:20:47,425 –> 00:20:48,545
Enough of this bullshit.
593
00:20:48,585 –> 00:20:50,025
Give me something specific.
594
00:20:50,105 –> 00:20:51,425
People are driving right now.
595
00:20:51,425 –> 00:20:52,985
They want to know what a fuck hopper is.
596
00:20:53,065 –> 00:20:53,745
So I will say this.
597
00:20:53,865 –> 00:20:54,425
Wait, is he in?
598
00:20:54,425 –> 00:20:55,305
Is he in state?
599
00:20:55,945 –> 00:20:56,185
Yes.
600
00:20:56,185 –> 00:20:56,945
He never left the state.
601
00:20:56,945 –> 00:20:58,785
He never left the state.
602
00:20:58,785 –> 00:20:59,865
Tri-county region.
603
00:21:00,505 –> 00:21:01,065
Yes.
604
00:21:01,145 –> 00:21:01,265
OK.
605
00:21:01,265 –> 00:21:02,345
Well, let’s do 20 questions.
606
00:21:02,385 –> 00:21:02,545
OK.
607
00:21:02,825 –> 00:21:03,785
And you know,
608
00:21:03,785 –> 00:21:04,425
I will say,
609
00:21:04,505 –> 00:21:04,745
you know,
610
00:21:04,745 –> 00:21:06,265
I’ll, I’ll give little teases here and there.
611
00:21:06,585 –> 00:21:10,665
I will say that the Detroit Mafia had ownership and
612
00:21:10,665 –> 00:21:13,705
control of three separate sanitation companies that
613
00:21:13,705 –> 00:21:16,265
had incinerators at that time.
614
00:21:17,465 –> 00:21:21,625
I will say that one of them burned down in a suspicious
615
00:21:21,625 –> 00:21:26,345
arson fire in the months after Jimmy Hoffa disappeared.
616
00:21:27,785 –> 00:21:29,305
And I will say that the.
617
00:21:30,425 –> 00:21:37,465
Killer is a name that has never really surfaced publicly.
618
00:21:39,465 –> 00:21:41,385
You know, you’ve heard of if you if you’ve been following
619
00:21:41,385 –> 00:21:42,025
this case,
620
00:21:42,505 –> 00:21:44,185
you’ve heard the names Tony Giacalone,
621
00:21:44,185 –> 00:21:45,465
Tony Provenzano.
622
00:21:46,585 –> 00:21:50,145
Over and over and over again at Frank Sheeran more
623
00:21:50,145 –> 00:21:50,665
recently,
624
00:21:50,665 –> 00:21:51,985
which we can go into that.
625
00:21:51,985 –> 00:21:53,385
I mean that’s the con from the grave,
626
00:21:53,385 –> 00:21:53,785
man.
627
00:21:53,945 –> 00:21:55,145
The movie The Irishman,
628
00:21:55,145 –> 00:21:56,825
the $200 million Netflix,
629
00:21:57,705 –> 00:21:58,585
Marty Scorsese,
630
00:21:58,585 –> 00:21:59,265
Robert De Niro.
631
00:21:59,265 –> 00:22:04,185
I mean that is just just so it’s such it’s blasphemy.
632
00:22:04,505 –> 00:22:06,785
I mean the falsehoods that were you mean it’s fake
633
00:22:07,225 –> 00:22:11,865
facilitated in that movie and and it’s a shame because
634
00:22:11,865 –> 00:22:13,785
because it’s coming from Marty Scorsese,
635
00:22:14,105 –> 00:22:14,745
people are.
636
00:22:15,145 –> 00:22:17,465
You know, people think it’s the gospel and in reality,
637
00:22:17,625 –> 00:22:19,865
nothing that you saw in that movie actually happened.
638
00:22:20,265 –> 00:22:26,105
But the the the killer is somebody that has not really
639
00:22:26,105 –> 00:22:31,065
been a name that people would recognize unless you’re
640
00:22:31,145 –> 00:22:31,985
a Detroit mobster.
641
00:22:32,025 –> 00:22:33,145
The name was floating though,
642
00:22:33,305 –> 00:22:35,785
like the name really has not been floating until the
643
00:22:35,785 –> 00:22:41,705
last 10 years when a top echelon FBI informant.
644
00:22:42,665 –> 00:22:45,305
Came forward with the name and the name had been out
645
00:22:45,305 –> 00:22:48,265
there in the investigation since Convertino had brought
646
00:22:48,265 –> 00:22:51,065
it into the conversation in the early 90s or yeah,
647
00:22:51,065 –> 00:22:52,025
in the early 90s.
648
00:22:52,345 –> 00:22:57,785
But it didn’t really take the take the weight on in
649
00:22:57,785 –> 00:22:59,865
terms of the FBI saying,
650
00:22:59,865 –> 00:23:01,225
OK, this has merit.
651
00:23:01,425 –> 00:23:02,425
Did Convertino talk to?
652
00:23:02,905 –> 00:23:04,945
Yeah, was told about this and talked to this guy.
653
00:23:05,385 –> 00:23:05,665
Yeah.
654
00:23:05,665 –> 00:23:07,585
So he was prosecuting this guy and he got this guy
655
00:23:07,585 –> 00:23:08,745
on a wire and then.
656
00:23:09,625 –> 00:23:10,505
And on the wire,
657
00:23:10,505 –> 00:23:11,145
on the wire,
658
00:23:11,145 –> 00:23:11,705
on the wire,
659
00:23:11,705 –> 00:23:16,265
he confessed the FBI back in the early 90s.
660
00:23:16,265 –> 00:23:17,065
That tape still exists.
661
00:23:17,145 –> 00:23:18,585
Yeah, we’re going to be,
662
00:23:18,585 –> 00:23:19,545
we’re going to be.
663
00:23:19,545 –> 00:23:20,545
Yeah, we’re going to be showing it.
664
00:23:20,545 –> 00:23:21,585
Oh, wow.
665
00:23:21,665 –> 00:23:22,865
No, dude, I was like,
666
00:23:22,905 –> 00:23:23,305
you know,
667
00:23:24,305 –> 00:23:24,985
I don’t doubt you.
668
00:23:25,265 –> 00:23:25,865
At the time,
669
00:23:25,865 –> 00:23:27,545
just because there’s been so many people that have
670
00:23:27,545 –> 00:23:31,465
come forward with theories and tips and there’ve been
671
00:23:31,705 –> 00:23:37,625
a lot of real tough mob guys that have admitted to
672
00:23:37,625 –> 00:23:40,345
some role in this that that they’re just bragging,
673
00:23:40,425 –> 00:23:40,585
right?
674
00:23:40,585 –> 00:23:41,065
They’re not.
675
00:23:41,065 –> 00:23:42,265
It’s not, it’s not true.
676
00:23:42,265 –> 00:23:44,105
They’re trying to use it as currency.
677
00:23:44,185 –> 00:23:45,225
So why would we think this,
678
00:23:45,225 –> 00:23:46,105
why would we think this,
679
00:23:46,185 –> 00:23:47,145
this is any different?
680
00:23:47,465 –> 00:23:48,185
Well, at the time,
681
00:23:48,185 –> 00:23:49,945
that’s what it was thought to be,
682
00:23:50,025 –> 00:23:53,225
OK, when when Rick Conventino kind of uncovered this
683
00:23:53,465 –> 00:23:54,265
30 years ago.
684
00:23:54,585 –> 00:23:56,025
But in the years since,
685
00:23:56,105 –> 00:23:59,945
you’ve had a number of confidential informants that
686
00:24:00,105 –> 00:24:05,465
that have been deemed of high value that would would
687
00:24:05,465 –> 00:24:07,465
know or would have good information on this.
688
00:24:07,785 –> 00:24:10,825
And they’ve all come forward and corroborated this.
689
00:24:10,865 –> 00:24:15,545
And then I want to shout out Professor Goldsmith at
690
00:24:15,625 –> 00:24:18,985
at Harvard who wrote a book about Chuckie O’Brien,
691
00:24:18,985 –> 00:24:21,785
who was his stepdad and in that book.
692
00:24:23,865 –> 00:24:28,065
He also identifies this this person or he he identifies
693
00:24:28,065 –> 00:24:29,705
him without mentioning a name,
694
00:24:29,705 –> 00:24:31,865
but explains about who this guy is.
695
00:24:32,505 –> 00:24:36,425
So and he was a Detroit mobster that was of of quite,
696
00:24:38,585 –> 00:24:38,825
you know,
697
00:24:39,665 –> 00:24:42,945
a lot of presence and a a lot of juice,
698
00:24:42,945 –> 00:24:43,785
a lot of power.
699
00:24:44,825 –> 00:24:46,345
He died the hitman,
700
00:24:46,425 –> 00:24:47,065
the hitman.
701
00:24:47,305 –> 00:24:51,305
He died recently and he he he was a guy that.
702
00:24:53,145 –> 00:24:56,185
You know, his reputation preceded him in in certain
703
00:24:56,505 –> 00:24:59,225
areas of of the city where people knew what the mob
704
00:24:59,225 –> 00:24:59,545
was.
705
00:24:59,705 –> 00:25:01,905
For people that don’t know what the mob is and and
706
00:25:01,905 –> 00:25:02,185
aren’t.
707
00:25:02,185 –> 00:25:02,865
He was the inside guy.
708
00:25:03,145 –> 00:25:03,865
He was a yeah,
709
00:25:03,865 –> 00:25:08,265
he was a very under the radar major player.
710
00:25:09,145 –> 00:25:09,705
Interesting.
711
00:25:09,705 –> 00:25:12,065
So once you reveal this,
712
00:25:12,065 –> 00:25:14,585
we’re all going to be able to find out who this guy
713
00:25:14,585 –> 00:25:14,745
is.
714
00:25:14,825 –> 00:25:15,305
Yes.
715
00:25:15,305 –> 00:25:17,785
OK, he’s he’s and I was able to actually interview
716
00:25:17,785 –> 00:25:20,665
him before he passed and I was.
717
00:25:21,385 –> 00:25:23,385
Did you suspect?
718
00:25:23,465 –> 00:25:25,625
Did you know at this time that he was the guy?
719
00:25:25,945 –> 00:25:27,145
I had come around to that theory.
720
00:25:27,225 –> 00:25:28,905
OK, you asked him point blank,
721
00:25:29,545 –> 00:25:29,745
right?
722
00:25:29,825 –> 00:25:34,345
And and I was trying to set up an interview with NBC
723
00:25:35,305 –> 00:25:38,305
that was almost worked out that was going to be on
724
00:25:38,305 –> 00:25:42,825
NBC News to commemorate the 45th year anniversary.
725
00:25:42,825 –> 00:25:43,945
This would have been in 2020,
726
00:25:44,585 –> 00:25:45,545
but it didn’t happen.
727
00:25:46,025 –> 00:25:46,905
He got sick.
728
00:25:47,105 –> 00:25:47,865
What did he say?
729
00:25:47,865 –> 00:25:49,225
He he didn’t admit it,
730
00:25:49,225 –> 00:25:49,865
but he.
731
00:25:50,585 –> 00:25:53,945
Talked around the issue and and got a kick out of it
732
00:25:53,985 –> 00:25:57,745
and you could kind of tell that he was toy admitting
733
00:25:57,745 –> 00:25:58,825
it without admitting it.
734
00:25:58,905 –> 00:25:59,865
Do you have that on tape?
735
00:26:01,225 –> 00:26:01,505
No.
736
00:26:02,425 –> 00:26:03,865
OK, that’s part of like.
737
00:26:04,585 –> 00:26:06,345
You will give that to your audience,
738
00:26:06,345 –> 00:26:07,425
your recollection.
739
00:26:07,425 –> 00:26:09,225
And you’re trying to like save it.
740
00:26:09,225 –> 00:26:10,185
So you know,
741
00:26:10,425 –> 00:26:12,025
my audience doesn’t want to buy tickets.
742
00:26:14,225 –> 00:26:15,505
I’m gonna come to this fucking thing.
743
00:26:15,505 –> 00:26:16,945
Ogmediaevents.com.
744
00:26:16,945 –> 00:26:19,225
And then my company is OG Media and we’re gonna start
745
00:26:19,545 –> 00:26:20,985
doing a slate of live events.
746
00:26:20,985 –> 00:26:23,225
We’re gonna start off with with Hoffa,
747
00:26:23,385 –> 00:26:25,945
but then we’re gonna move on to other subjects.
748
00:26:25,945 –> 00:26:26,825
The Purple Gang,
749
00:26:27,025 –> 00:26:27,865
White Boy Rick,
750
00:26:27,865 –> 00:26:29,065
Black Mafia family,
751
00:26:29,145 –> 00:26:29,865
all of this.
752
00:26:29,865 –> 00:26:30,585
Who gives a fuck?
753
00:26:30,705 –> 00:26:31,505
I mean, you know,
754
00:26:31,545 –> 00:26:32,465
I mean, it’s Hoffa,
755
00:26:32,465 –> 00:26:32,585
dude.
756
00:26:32,585 –> 00:26:33,385
I don’t care about.
757
00:26:33,625 –> 00:26:34,585
No, I’m just saying.
758
00:26:34,825 –> 00:26:35,345
No, I’m no,
759
00:26:35,345 –> 00:26:39,665
I’m just saying that the the OG Media eventually after
760
00:26:39,665 –> 00:26:41,425
we do our Hoffa event for the next year,
761
00:26:41,425 –> 00:26:43,945
we’re going to do a we’re going to do a year of Hoffa
762
00:26:44,545 –> 00:26:46,705
and then we’re going to start branching off and doing
763
00:26:46,825 –> 00:26:49,985
other types of kind of theme events based around iconic
764
00:26:49,985 –> 00:26:50,665
Detroit crime.
765
00:26:50,905 –> 00:26:52,185
Can you can you count me?
766
00:26:52,425 –> 00:26:52,825
Yes.
767
00:26:52,985 –> 00:26:55,305
You’re you’re you’re rolling out the red carpet.
768
00:26:55,545 –> 00:26:56,105
Send a car.
769
00:26:56,345 –> 00:26:56,465
Yeah.
770
00:26:57,465 –> 00:26:57,785
Dinner.
771
00:26:57,945 –> 00:26:59,305
Yeah, for sure.
772
00:27:00,345 –> 00:27:01,305
July 23rd.
773
00:27:02,905 –> 00:27:04,105
It’s at the South Campus,
774
00:27:04,105 –> 00:27:04,985
not on Hall Rd.
775
00:27:05,145 –> 00:27:06,905
So 1212 and Hayes.
776
00:27:07,385 –> 00:27:10,425
And I’m really excited to share some of the archival
777
00:27:11,385 –> 00:27:13,705
that nobody’s ever seen before.
778
00:27:14,025 –> 00:27:18,585
You’re going to get video and how to kill him.
779
00:27:20,185 –> 00:27:21,225
You’re gonna get video.
780
00:27:21,225 –> 00:27:21,905
You’re gonna get video.
781
00:27:21,905 –> 00:27:22,505
You’re gonna get video.
782
00:27:22,505 –> 00:27:25,225
You’re gonna get projections of documents in the FBI
783
00:27:25,225 –> 00:27:26,505
file that you’ve never seen.
784
00:27:26,505 –> 00:27:29,865
You’re gonna get Toko to rats recollection.
785
00:27:30,105 –> 00:27:30,945
Dude, it sounds great.
786
00:27:30,945 –> 00:27:31,825
I’m not joking around.
787
00:27:31,825 –> 00:27:33,505
No, I’m really excited about it.
788
00:27:33,505 –> 00:27:35,545
And then as we continue,
789
00:27:35,545 –> 00:27:36,825
hopefully to continue to do that,
790
00:27:36,825 –> 00:27:39,545
we might add some more people to the stage,
791
00:27:39,545 –> 00:27:41,065
some retired FBI agents,
792
00:27:41,225 –> 00:27:44,345
maybe some other retired gangsters,
793
00:27:45,705 –> 00:27:46,665
some more prosecutor.
794
00:27:46,665 –> 00:27:47,545
We’re gonna mix it up.
795
00:27:48,105 –> 00:27:50,585
So we have a lot of people that are eager to be a part
796
00:27:50,585 –> 00:27:50,985
of this.
797
00:27:51,065 –> 00:27:52,425
I I think it’s important.
798
00:27:52,985 –> 00:27:57,385
I don’t know what the FBI plans to do this year on
799
00:27:57,385 –> 00:27:58,105
July 30th.
800
00:27:58,585 –> 00:28:02,945
I’ve been kind of campaigning over the last 50 years
801
00:28:02,945 –> 00:28:03,785
at the end of this month,
802
00:28:03,865 –> 00:28:03,985
right.
803
00:28:04,185 –> 00:28:07,225
So it was 50 years I I’ve been campaigning and you
804
00:28:07,225 –> 00:28:08,825
can, I use that term loosely,
805
00:28:09,145 –> 00:28:11,225
but for the last couple years I’ve been out there
806
00:28:11,225 –> 00:28:13,385
saying the FBI should hold a press conference.
807
00:28:14,945 –> 00:28:21,185
Have you gone to them with what you have?
808
00:28:21,225 –> 00:28:21,945
Yeah, they all know.
809
00:28:22,105 –> 00:28:22,665
I know all of them.
810
00:28:22,665 –> 00:28:22,945
They all know.
811
00:28:23,545 –> 00:28:24,145
I know them.
812
00:28:24,225 –> 00:28:24,985
They know me.
813
00:28:25,945 –> 00:28:27,545
I know exactly what they believe.
814
00:28:27,545 –> 00:28:29,785
That’s part of what this is going to be.
815
00:28:29,785 –> 00:28:30,425
Do they believe it?
816
00:28:30,905 –> 00:28:31,065
Yeah.
817
00:28:31,065 –> 00:28:32,545
Well, I’m going to be telling people what the.
818
00:28:32,545 –> 00:28:35,225
I mean, this is what the FBI thinks.
819
00:28:35,465 –> 00:28:36,185
So I mean,
820
00:28:36,425 –> 00:28:39,905
whether the FBI has a press conference on July 3rd
821
00:28:39,905 –> 00:28:40,705
or not.
822
00:28:40,745 –> 00:28:41,145
Yes.
823
00:28:41,545 –> 00:28:41,945
Really.
824
00:28:41,945 –> 00:28:42,425
Yes.
825
00:28:43,705 –> 00:28:45,905
So I don’t know if they’re going to hold a press conference
826
00:28:45,905 –> 00:28:46,105
or not.
827
00:28:46,265 –> 00:28:48,745
I know that this is very personal for them.
828
00:28:49,945 –> 00:28:52,465
I my sense right now is they’re not going to close
829
00:28:52,465 –> 00:28:53,105
the investigation,
830
00:28:53,105 –> 00:28:53,945
they’re going to keep it open.
831
00:28:54,105 –> 00:28:56,345
You got to remember this is something,
832
00:28:56,745 –> 00:29:00,825
it’s not just been 1/2 century of fruitless searches.
833
00:29:00,985 –> 00:29:03,185
We’re talking 10s of millions of dollars,
834
00:29:03,385 –> 00:29:06,825
possibly hundreds of millions of dollars over.
835
00:29:07,865 –> 00:29:11,265
1/2 century of resources being put out to try to solve
836
00:29:11,265 –> 00:29:11,625
this thing.
837
00:29:12,105 –> 00:29:15,945
I mean the thing the dig back in 20 years ago in 2006
838
00:29:16,345 –> 00:29:20,745
at the the ranch down in it’s like at the border of
839
00:29:20,825 –> 00:29:23,705
Commerce and Milford of Milford and Commerce called
840
00:29:23,705 –> 00:29:23,945
Hidden.
841
00:29:23,945 –> 00:29:25,305
It was called Hidden Dreams Ranch.
842
00:29:25,625 –> 00:29:26,225
It cost $7,000,000.
843
00:29:26,505 –> 00:29:29,625
They were there for two for two two weeks,
844
00:29:29,705 –> 00:29:29,745
$7,000,000.
845
00:29:31,185 –> 00:29:33,865
I mean, these are not cheap endeavors.
846
00:29:34,345 –> 00:29:35,945
So you’ve put a lot of money,
847
00:29:35,945 –> 00:29:36,665
a lot of time,
848
00:29:36,665 –> 00:29:37,865
a lot of energy into it.
849
00:29:37,865 –> 00:29:38,905
It’s very personal.
850
00:29:39,305 –> 00:29:41,785
So they put them in a trash incinerator,
851
00:29:42,665 –> 00:29:44,345
mob owned trash incinerator in Detroit.
852
00:29:44,745 –> 00:29:45,705
How’d they whack them?
853
00:29:45,705 –> 00:29:46,585
Definitely possible.
854
00:29:46,745 –> 00:29:51,065
I think that’s really the biggest question.
855
00:29:51,065 –> 00:29:51,345
I think 99%
856
00:29:52,065 –> 00:29:55,305
of this is known by myself,
857
00:29:55,625 –> 00:29:58,345
by the people that I’m doing this event with,
858
00:29:58,585 –> 00:29:59,465
by the FBI.
859
00:29:59,865 –> 00:30:03,225
But I think there is a small slice that we don’t know.
860
00:30:03,225 –> 00:30:05,625
And I think one of the things that we don’t know for
861
00:30:05,625 –> 00:30:08,825
sure, and we’re going to discuss this on our panel,
862
00:30:09,705 –> 00:30:10,745
is how he was killed.
863
00:30:10,985 –> 00:30:14,905
I think there are three main possibilities that he
864
00:30:14,905 –> 00:30:15,865
was shot to death,
865
00:30:16,185 –> 00:30:18,425
that he was strangled to death and that he was bludgeoned
866
00:30:18,465 –> 00:30:18,665
to death.
867
00:30:19,065 –> 00:30:21,145
And I will say from my research,
868
00:30:21,625 –> 00:30:22,065
and again,
869
00:30:22,065 –> 00:30:24,905
I’ve talked to dozens of people that were either involved
870
00:30:24,905 –> 00:30:27,825
in an investigative side of this or the criminal side
871
00:30:27,825 –> 00:30:28,105
of this.
872
00:30:28,545 –> 00:30:31,905
And I’ve heard from really good sourcing all three
873
00:30:31,905 –> 00:30:32,265
things.
874
00:30:34,905 –> 00:30:35,625
Beat him up a little,
875
00:30:35,625 –> 00:30:39,345
strangle him a little and shot him and put put him
876
00:30:39,345 –> 00:30:39,865
in a pan,
877
00:30:39,865 –> 00:30:42,025
threw some pineapple on him and stuck him in the oven.
878
00:30:42,185 –> 00:30:43,625
Yeah, one I’ll throw out.
879
00:30:44,425 –> 00:30:47,785
I’ll give one anecdote that I heard that I heard from
880
00:30:47,865 –> 00:30:55,385
a a a a really good source and they said that this
881
00:30:55,385 –> 00:30:58,145
was a bloodletting.
882
00:30:58,905 –> 00:31:02,505
That was done in front of a group of mob leaders,
883
00:31:02,905 –> 00:31:05,225
that there were so many people that were upset with
884
00:31:05,225 –> 00:31:09,905
him, that there were mob bosses that want to wanted
885
00:31:09,905 –> 00:31:10,385
to watch.
886
00:31:10,931 –> 00:31:11,971
his execution,
887
00:31:12,371 –> 00:31:13,611
and that it was a…
888
00:31:13,611 –> 00:31:15,611
I think that’s true.
889
00:31:16,691 –> 00:31:17,331
That’s weird.
890
00:31:17,491 –> 00:31:22,291
That there was a hit team of a dozen guys that when
891
00:31:22,291 –> 00:31:24,611
he walked into the place where they killed him,
892
00:31:25,251 –> 00:31:26,131
they jumped him,
893
00:31:26,531 –> 00:31:28,411
eventually strangled him to death,
894
00:31:28,411 –> 00:31:28,611
and the…
895
00:31:29,011 –> 00:31:30,131
Was that the fox and hound?
896
00:31:30,211 –> 00:31:30,931
Is that what it’s called?
897
00:31:31,331 –> 00:31:31,531
No.
898
00:31:31,571 –> 00:31:32,091
Red Fox.
899
00:31:32,611 –> 00:31:33,331
Right.
900
00:31:33,331 –> 00:31:36,131
They kidnapped him from the Red Fox at 15 and Telegraph.
901
00:31:36,291 –> 00:31:38,411
And they took him to a residence somewhat nearby.
902
00:31:38,411 –> 00:31:41,091
I have a number of theories of which residence they
903
00:31:41,091 –> 00:31:41,651
took him to.
904
00:31:41,811 –> 00:31:43,691
But the theory that I heard from somebody.
905
00:31:43,691 –> 00:31:46,451
Could it have been in Oakland Township?
906
00:31:47,251 –> 00:31:47,651
That, well,
907
00:31:47,651 –> 00:31:50,851
they dug up in Oakland Township in 2013.
908
00:31:51,131 –> 00:31:53,331
When they had taken Adams and Bule.
909
00:31:53,371 –> 00:31:54,691
When they were building the minister’s pool.
910
00:31:54,691 –> 00:31:56,051
Right, by the minister,
911
00:31:56,451 –> 00:31:58,651
Minister Kinloch’s estate.
912
00:31:59,651 –> 00:32:02,371
But some, this is an interesting quote from somebody
913
00:32:02,371 –> 00:32:03,891
that allegedly was there,
914
00:32:04,131 –> 00:32:05,411
and they said it was like a rodeo.
915
00:32:07,091 –> 00:32:07,571
Really?
916
00:32:07,811 –> 00:32:10,091
That they had to ride them like a bull down to the
917
00:32:10,091 –> 00:32:10,611
ground.
918
00:32:11,291 –> 00:32:12,451
And they strangled them,
919
00:32:12,451 –> 00:32:15,131
and there was like 6 guys that were jumping on top
920
00:32:15,131 –> 00:32:18,691
of them, and there were some other mob leaders there
921
00:32:18,691 –> 00:32:19,411
to watch.
922
00:32:19,411 –> 00:32:22,531
Now, it seems unlikely,
923
00:32:22,931 –> 00:32:25,971
but I will say that there is a precedent
924
00:32:27,411 –> 00:32:29,171
not necessarily in the 70s,
925
00:32:29,171 –> 00:32:30,691
but in the 40s and 50s,
926
00:32:30,931 –> 00:32:34,691
there were some documented mob murders where the leaders
927
00:32:34,691 –> 00:32:36,651
of the mob were present when people were killed.
928
00:32:38,691 –> 00:32:39,971
Okay, do this because,
929
00:32:39,971 –> 00:32:40,291
you know,
930
00:32:42,291 –> 00:32:42,851
next week,
931
00:32:42,891 –> 00:32:44,891
folks, I was going to give you my estimation of the
932
00:32:44,891 –> 00:32:46,731
big, beautiful bill and that stuff.
933
00:32:46,731 –> 00:32:47,971
I had a long talk with,
934
00:32:48,371 –> 00:32:48,691
you know,
935
00:32:48,851 –> 00:32:50,291
former head of the equity desk,
936
00:32:50,451 –> 00:32:51,451
big Wall Street firms,
937
00:32:51,451 –> 00:32:52,531
yes, they figured some stuff out.
938
00:32:52,531 –> 00:32:52,851
But
939
00:32:53,891 –> 00:32:54,811
We’re driving right now.
940
00:32:54,891 –> 00:32:55,971
It’s 4th of July,
941
00:32:55,971 –> 00:32:57,291
and this is really interesting.
942
00:32:57,331 –> 00:32:58,131
So next week,
943
00:32:58,931 –> 00:33:00,851
we’re back to economics and your well-being,
944
00:33:00,851 –> 00:33:05,171
but would you mind just explaining the saga of Jimmy
945
00:33:05,171 –> 00:33:07,331
Hoffa and what happened,
946
00:33:07,331 –> 00:33:07,931
where he came?
947
00:33:08,051 –> 00:33:08,531
You know, just,
948
00:33:09,011 –> 00:33:09,411
no, let me,
949
00:33:09,411 –> 00:33:09,971
hold on, let me,
950
00:33:09,971 –> 00:33:10,931
let me set it up now.
951
00:33:11,891 –> 00:33:12,851
We’re all driving.
952
00:33:13,011 –> 00:33:13,571
Just a minute.
953
00:33:13,771 –> 00:33:14,331
I’m driving.
954
00:33:14,331 –> 00:33:16,611
I don’t know why everybody drives up to Traverse City.
955
00:33:17,091 –> 00:33:18,131
It’s too fucking far.
956
00:33:18,771 –> 00:33:19,411
You know what I mean?
957
00:33:19,411 –> 00:33:20,131
It’s too far.
958
00:33:20,291 –> 00:33:21,571
Or across the state.
959
00:33:21,731 –> 00:33:22,611
I go to the thumb.
960
00:33:23,491 –> 00:33:24,851
You know, nice and rednecky,
961
00:33:24,851 –> 00:33:25,691
undeveloped,
962
00:33:26,291 –> 00:33:28,051
less than 100 miles from here.
963
00:33:28,211 –> 00:33:28,971
Yeah, exactly,
964
00:33:28,971 –> 00:33:29,171
man.
965
00:33:29,491 –> 00:33:30,651
So now we’re driving.
966
00:33:30,931 –> 00:33:32,051
Jimmy Hoffa,
967
00:33:32,451 –> 00:33:33,171
the life.
968
00:33:33,731 –> 00:33:34,851
Scott Bernstein,
969
00:33:34,931 –> 00:33:35,651
the author.
970
00:33:35,971 –> 00:33:36,531
Roll it.
971
00:33:36,931 –> 00:33:41,571
So Hoffa spent his early years in Indiana on a farm.
972
00:33:42,411 –> 00:33:46,211
His dad passed away and his mom moved them up to Detroit.
973
00:33:46,891 –> 00:33:48,051
And as a young man,
974
00:33:48,611 –> 00:33:48,891
you know,
975
00:33:48,891 –> 00:33:50,491
as a teenager in his early 20s.
976
00:33:50,491 –> 00:33:51,251
What year was this?
977
00:33:52,051 –> 00:33:53,571
So he was born in 1913.
978
00:33:53,891 –> 00:33:55,371
So it’s the roaring 20s.
979
00:33:55,371 –> 00:33:57,251
So the 20s comes up here.
980
00:33:57,331 –> 00:33:58,891
Or maybe just when the Depression hits.
981
00:33:59,171 –> 00:33:59,371
Yeah.
982
00:33:59,491 –> 00:34:01,091
And, you know,
983
00:34:01,091 –> 00:34:02,371
he’s a, you know,
984
00:34:02,851 –> 00:34:06,211
scrappy, tough as nails kind of street kid.
985
00:34:06,531 –> 00:34:08,771
There’s a famous picture of him as a teenager throwing
986
00:34:08,771 –> 00:34:11,411
dice on a street corner.
987
00:34:12,451 –> 00:34:17,531
And then he becomes a rising star in the labor union
988
00:34:17,531 –> 00:34:17,771
world.
989
00:34:17,811 –> 00:34:19,971
From the time he was like 18 or 19,
990
00:34:20,451 –> 00:34:25,411
he organizes what became a famous labor strike on
991
00:34:25,411 –> 00:34:26,451
the docks of Kroger,
992
00:34:26,451 –> 00:34:27,811
known as the Strawberry Strike.
993
00:34:28,611 –> 00:34:30,211
where produce,
994
00:34:31,251 –> 00:34:34,371
young men that were unloading produce on the dock
995
00:34:34,371 –> 00:34:35,651
were not being treated very well,
996
00:34:35,651 –> 00:34:36,931
weren’t being paid very well.
997
00:34:37,331 –> 00:34:39,731
And he organized a strike.
998
00:34:39,731 –> 00:34:41,891
It got a lot of news coverage.
999
00:34:42,931 –> 00:34:46,611
He was fired by Kroger after organizing the strike
1000
00:34:46,611 –> 00:34:49,171
and immediately was recruited by the Teamsters and
1001
00:34:49,171 –> 00:34:50,531
kind of put on the fast track.
1002
00:34:51,491 –> 00:34:52,291
Made his way up,
1003
00:34:52,371 –> 00:34:56,491
became the youngest member on their executive committee.
1004
00:34:56,491 –> 00:34:57,731
I think he was in his 30s.
1005
00:34:58,771 –> 00:35:00,971
became vice president and then became president in
1006
00:35:00,971 –> 00:35:02,051
1957.
1007
00:35:02,131 –> 00:35:03,011
If I could pause you there,
1008
00:35:03,251 –> 00:35:04,731
you might not know Matty Maroon,
1009
00:35:04,731 –> 00:35:05,611
the trucking magnet,
1010
00:35:05,611 –> 00:35:06,291
told me this.
1011
00:35:06,291 –> 00:35:08,051
He was very close with Hoffa.
1012
00:35:09,811 –> 00:35:12,771
The Maroon service station was next to the Teamsters
1013
00:35:12,851 –> 00:35:14,051
headquarters.
1014
00:35:14,051 –> 00:35:17,971
That Jimmy Hoffa is the guy that came up and perfected
1015
00:35:18,371 –> 00:35:21,571
the chain link method of organizing,
1016
00:35:22,091 –> 00:35:22,851
which is
1017
00:35:23,571 –> 00:35:25,771
If you don’t join the Teamsters,
1018
00:35:25,771 –> 00:35:27,651
we’re going to put a fucking chain through your windshield.
1019
00:35:29,331 –> 00:35:31,251
Well, Jimmy Hoffa was like half gangster,
1020
00:35:31,251 –> 00:35:32,131
half, you know,
1021
00:35:32,131 –> 00:35:32,851
Teamster boss.
1022
00:35:33,331 –> 00:35:33,691
So I mean,
1023
00:35:33,691 –> 00:35:34,371
he wasn’t,
1024
00:35:35,571 –> 00:35:38,171
he wasn’t a stuffy boardroom type.
1025
00:35:38,171 –> 00:35:40,531
He was a street guy that got put into the boardroom
1026
00:35:40,531 –> 00:35:43,491
by the mob to run the boardroom for the mob.
1027
00:35:45,091 –> 00:35:46,331
And, you know,
1028
00:35:46,331 –> 00:35:48,491
he grew that union to
1029
00:35:49,811 –> 00:35:51,011
you know, Mammoth Heights.
1030
00:35:51,051 –> 00:35:54,131
I mean, this was the most powerful union in the world,
1031
00:35:54,531 –> 00:35:55,891
was represented,
1032
00:35:56,051 –> 00:35:56,251
you know,
1033
00:35:56,251 –> 00:35:57,731
truck drivers around the globe,
1034
00:35:57,971 –> 00:35:58,851
cartage hollers,
1035
00:35:59,171 –> 00:36:01,411
and he really became the face of the American working
1036
00:36:01,411 –> 00:36:01,651
man.
1037
00:36:01,651 –> 00:36:02,491
Could I interrupt you again?
1038
00:36:02,491 –> 00:36:02,611
Yes.
1039
00:36:02,651 –> 00:36:05,531
Yeah, they had their figures in everything.
1040
00:36:05,531 –> 00:36:06,971
Remember the Detroit racecourse?
1041
00:36:06,971 –> 00:36:07,091
Yeah.
1042
00:36:07,731 –> 00:36:09,011
That was a Teamster track.
1043
00:36:09,011 –> 00:36:12,571
My grandfather was the morning odds maker.
1044
00:36:12,571 –> 00:36:12,771
Yep.
1045
00:36:13,091 –> 00:36:14,811
And there’s a pitcher somewhere in the free press when
1046
00:36:14,811 –> 00:36:15,291
they’re on strike.
1047
00:36:15,291 –> 00:36:15,771
There’s Hoffa,
1048
00:36:15,771 –> 00:36:16,331
my grandpa,
1049
00:36:16,691 –> 00:36:18,051
right, at the fence.
1050
00:36:18,771 –> 00:36:20,131
And the Detroit mob owned Hazel Park.
1051
00:36:21,411 –> 00:36:21,691
Yeah.
1052
00:36:22,011 –> 00:36:23,611
And I said to my mom,
1053
00:36:23,611 –> 00:36:24,051
I said, mom,
1054
00:36:24,611 –> 00:36:26,171
grandpa, is it Jimmy Hoffman?
1055
00:36:26,171 –> 00:36:29,731
She says, your grandfather was the most elegant man
1056
00:36:29,931 –> 00:36:30,571
I’ve ever met.
1057
00:36:30,571 –> 00:36:31,651
And I go, I don’t doubt it,
1058
00:36:31,651 –> 00:36:33,091
but he was a fucking mobster,
1059
00:36:35,091 –> 00:36:35,211
mom.
1060
00:36:35,211 –> 00:36:35,891
Not Hazel Park,
1061
00:36:35,891 –> 00:36:36,211
the city,
1062
00:36:36,211 –> 00:36:37,091
Hazel Park Racetrack.
1063
00:36:37,091 –> 00:36:37,411
Yes.
1064
00:36:38,451 –> 00:36:42,171
Which was a college graduation present in 1949 for
1065
00:36:42,171 –> 00:36:43,171
the two mob princes.
1066
00:36:43,651 –> 00:36:44,931
Jack Tocco and Tony Zorilli,
1067
00:36:44,931 –> 00:36:46,891
whose dads were the founding fathers of the mafia
1068
00:36:46,891 –> 00:36:48,931
here, Black Bill Tocco and Joe Zorilli,
1069
00:36:49,051 –> 00:36:51,451
when their sons graduated from the University of Detroit
1070
00:36:51,451 –> 00:36:52,531
and got business degrees,
1071
00:36:52,771 –> 00:36:54,611
they were given the Hazel Park racetrack.
1072
00:36:54,651 –> 00:36:54,771
Wow.
1073
00:36:55,531 –> 00:36:58,851
And these are the people that were involved in conspiracy
1074
00:36:58,851 –> 00:36:59,571
to kill Jimmy Hoffa.
1075
00:36:59,571 –> 00:37:00,771
So it’s all connected.
1076
00:37:01,211 –> 00:37:02,611
Yeah, and the nephews back,
1077
00:37:02,611 –> 00:37:03,211
the favorites.
1078
00:37:03,211 –> 00:37:04,811
Yeah, it’s unbelievable.
1079
00:37:04,811 –> 00:37:06,291
Okay, so Hoffa,
1080
00:37:06,451 –> 00:37:08,131
50s, pensions,
1081
00:37:08,811 –> 00:37:09,291
Kennedys,
1082
00:37:09,291 –> 00:37:09,891
what’s going on?
1083
00:37:09,971 –> 00:37:12,931
So he becomes president and the Teamsters just get
1084
00:37:12,931 –> 00:37:14,211
more powerful by the 2nd.
1085
00:37:15,171 –> 00:37:17,731
There’s the central state’s pension fund,
1086
00:37:18,331 –> 00:37:21,291
which is the golden goose that lays the golden eggs.
1087
00:37:21,651 –> 00:37:22,131
And
1088
00:37:23,731 –> 00:37:28,131
mobsters from around the country and mob associates,
1089
00:37:28,131 –> 00:37:30,931
mob affiliates could go to the pension fund and get
1090
00:37:30,931 –> 00:37:35,411
very low interest loans of astronomical amounts of
1091
00:37:35,411 –> 00:37:40,371
money to build businesses to then build businesses
1092
00:37:40,531 –> 00:37:41,491
to then steal from.
1093
00:37:41,731 –> 00:37:47,571
Now, the most well-known of these investments was Las
1094
00:37:47,571 –> 00:37:48,051
Vegas.
1095
00:37:48,051 –> 00:37:51,491
All of kind of old Vegas,
1096
00:37:51,931 –> 00:37:54,851
And then this kind of the second iteration of Vegas
1097
00:37:56,131 –> 00:38:00,651
were all built by the mob using Teamster Fund pension
1098
00:38:00,651 –> 00:38:00,931
money.
1099
00:38:01,571 –> 00:38:03,731
And then they were all fleeced.
1100
00:38:05,011 –> 00:38:06,211
So they got in,
1101
00:38:06,291 –> 00:38:07,011
they got out.
1102
00:38:08,131 –> 00:38:08,771
It was about a,
1103
00:38:09,011 –> 00:38:09,211
you know,
1104
00:38:09,211 –> 00:38:10,451
30, 40 year thing.
1105
00:38:10,931 –> 00:38:12,051
They’re not there anymore.
1106
00:38:12,131 –> 00:38:12,651
It’s very,
1107
00:38:12,651 –> 00:38:12,811
you know,
1108
00:38:13,011 –> 00:38:14,371
Vegas is very corporate right now.
1109
00:38:14,851 –> 00:38:17,931
But from the late 40s into the 90s,
1110
00:38:17,931 –> 00:38:18,931
I mean, this was
1111
00:38:19,891 –> 00:38:23,051
you know, the mob ran Vegas because they controlled
1112
00:38:23,051 –> 00:38:24,611
all the hotel casinos,
1113
00:38:24,611 –> 00:38:28,691
which they had either purchased or actually built
1114
00:38:28,851 –> 00:38:30,691
with Teamster pension fund money.
1115
00:38:31,011 –> 00:38:34,131
So, and then as a result,
1116
00:38:34,131 –> 00:38:34,291
you know,
1117
00:38:34,291 –> 00:38:35,011
you had this,
1118
00:38:35,011 –> 00:38:36,371
you know,
1119
00:38:36,371 –> 00:38:39,091
these access points where Hoffa not just,
1120
00:38:39,251 –> 00:38:39,491
you know,
1121
00:38:39,491 –> 00:38:41,131
give you access to the pension fund,
1122
00:38:41,131 –> 00:38:46,291
but give you access to Teamster jobs and contracts.
1123
00:38:46,691 –> 00:38:47,971
And I think one of the things,
1124
00:38:47,971 –> 00:38:49,251
or I would say two of the things
1125
00:38:49,571 –> 00:38:52,251
that two of the biggest things that people don’t know
1126
00:38:52,251 –> 00:38:53,651
about Jimmy Hoffa is A,
1127
00:38:53,651 –> 00:38:54,531
at the end of his life,
1128
00:38:54,531 –> 00:38:56,771
he was a confidential informant for the FBI and one
1129
00:38:56,851 –> 00:38:57,811
of the reasons he got killed.
1130
00:38:58,371 –> 00:39:00,411
And B, he was one of America’s
1131
00:39:00,491 –> 00:39:01,971
America’s largest narcotics traffickers.
1132
00:39:02,291 –> 00:39:04,051
He was in bed with the mob,
1133
00:39:04,051 –> 00:39:05,491
specifically Detroit guys,
1134
00:39:05,891 –> 00:39:10,771
and using his trucking empire to move drugs across
1135
00:39:10,771 –> 00:39:13,611
the country that were coming in from Europe and coming
1136
00:39:13,611 –> 00:39:15,131
through the border in Canada.
1137
00:39:15,171 –> 00:39:16,771
Did he have connections to Max Fisher?
1138
00:39:19,091 –> 00:39:22,131
I’m not sure about the connections to Fisher.
1139
00:39:22,131 –> 00:39:24,571
I know that when you when you start doing,
1140
00:39:24,571 –> 00:39:24,771
you know,
1141
00:39:24,771 –> 00:39:26,531
drill downs into some of this stuff,
1142
00:39:26,531 –> 00:39:29,091
especially in a different era,
1143
00:39:29,971 –> 00:39:38,131
all of the big wigs were kind of rubbing elbows because
1144
00:39:38,131 –> 00:39:38,691
of, you know,
1145
00:39:38,851 –> 00:39:40,371
I would say social structures,
1146
00:39:41,411 –> 00:39:41,811
you know,
1147
00:39:42,931 –> 00:39:45,731
the economy in the sense that back then,
1148
00:39:45,731 –> 00:39:46,211
if we want to,
1149
00:39:46,371 –> 00:39:47,411
I know I’m all over the place here,
1150
00:39:47,411 –> 00:39:48,611
but back then,
1151
00:39:48,691 –> 00:39:53,251
all the Detroit athletes and every team was hanging
1152
00:39:53,251 –> 00:39:55,651
out with the mob guys because they were of,
1153
00:39:56,051 –> 00:39:56,851
they were the ones that,
1154
00:39:56,931 –> 00:39:57,251
you know,
1155
00:39:57,571 –> 00:39:58,291
had money
1156
00:39:59,011 –> 00:40:01,571
the gangsters are the only ones that had the money
1157
00:40:01,571 –> 00:40:04,011
to do the things that the athletes were doing.
1158
00:40:05,731 –> 00:40:07,891
Now there’s such a huge,
1159
00:40:08,371 –> 00:40:08,611
you know,
1160
00:40:08,611 –> 00:40:10,451
the athletes now make so much money.
1161
00:40:10,451 –> 00:40:11,091
Back then,
1162
00:40:11,491 –> 00:40:14,011
guys that were playing professional football and professional
1163
00:40:14,011 –> 00:40:16,211
baseball had to work like jobs in the offseason.
1164
00:40:16,851 –> 00:40:17,491
Now, you know,
1165
00:40:17,491 –> 00:40:18,691
you’re making $200 million.
1166
00:40:18,771 –> 00:40:21,891
There’s no real reason for you to be interacting with
1167
00:40:21,891 –> 00:40:23,251
anybody, let alone a mob guy.
1168
00:40:23,651 –> 00:40:24,451
But back then,
1169
00:40:24,451 –> 00:40:25,571
they were running in the same,
1170
00:40:26,011 –> 00:40:27,491
a lot of the same social circles.
1171
00:40:27,891 –> 00:40:34,611
But so, so Hoffa it is growing the union,
1172
00:40:34,931 –> 00:40:36,211
they’re building Vegas,
1173
00:40:36,531 –> 00:40:39,651
they’re they’re putting people into jobs around the
1174
00:40:39,651 –> 00:40:40,931
country, they’re moving drugs,
1175
00:40:41,331 –> 00:40:42,371
and you know,
1176
00:40:42,371 –> 00:40:42,851
you said it,
1177
00:40:42,851 –> 00:40:43,051
you know,
1178
00:40:43,051 –> 00:40:43,811
the government,
1179
00:40:43,811 –> 00:40:44,611
Bobby Kennedy,
1180
00:40:46,051 –> 00:40:47,771
they they wanted to take him down and the,
1181
00:40:48,291 –> 00:40:48,611
you know,
1182
00:40:48,851 –> 00:40:50,771
there was a there was quite the
1183
00:40:53,171 –> 00:40:53,731
I don’t know if it’s,
1184
00:40:53,811 –> 00:40:54,691
I guess it’s irony.
1185
00:40:54,691 –> 00:40:58,611
It’s rich in irony where the mob got Kennedy,
1186
00:40:58,771 –> 00:41:00,131
John Kennedy elected.
1187
00:41:00,851 –> 00:41:03,891
And then you would think conventional wisdom says,
1188
00:41:03,891 –> 00:41:05,611
well, the mob gets you elected,
1189
00:41:05,611 –> 00:41:07,811
you’re going to go easy on the mob.
1190
00:41:08,371 –> 00:41:10,291
But it went the other direction.
1191
00:41:10,291 –> 00:41:13,931
The mob got Kennedy elected and he immediately went
1192
00:41:13,931 –> 00:41:14,531
after the mob.
1193
00:41:15,571 –> 00:41:17,891
and going after the mob at that point was going after
1194
00:41:17,891 –> 00:41:20,251
the Teamsters and Hoffa was in the crosshairs.
1195
00:41:20,251 –> 00:41:23,411
And they eventually nailed Hoffa on a jury tampering
1196
00:41:23,411 –> 00:41:27,891
fraud bribery case out of Nashville.
1197
00:41:29,251 –> 00:41:33,091
And he goes to prison in 1967 and he’s supposed to
1198
00:41:33,091 –> 00:41:36,131
go away for 12 years or 12 to 15 years.
1199
00:41:37,331 –> 00:41:37,891
And
1200
00:41:39,891 –> 00:41:41,731
the mob, the Teamsters,
1201
00:41:41,971 –> 00:41:44,051
make a deal with the White House and Richard Nixon
1202
00:41:44,131 –> 00:41:48,611
to get Hoffa out early and they get a commutation
1203
00:41:48,691 –> 00:41:53,891
in return for giving Nixon labor support for the 72
1204
00:41:54,291 –> 00:41:55,251
presidential election.
1205
00:41:56,211 –> 00:41:57,931
And Hoffa,
1206
00:41:57,931 –> 00:42:00,691
instead of coming out in 1981 or 82,
1207
00:42:01,011 –> 00:42:03,731
comes out at Christmas 1971.
1208
00:42:04,051 –> 00:42:06,451
So he’d been in for about 4 1/2 years.
1209
00:42:07,331 –> 00:42:09,411
And he comes out
1210
00:42:11,011 –> 00:42:16,451
you know, hits the ground running and has only one
1211
00:42:16,451 –> 00:42:17,251
thing on his mind,
1212
00:42:17,811 –> 00:42:20,811
and that is to reclaim the Teamster’s presidency.
1213
00:42:20,811 –> 00:42:22,291
Because when he was in prison,
1214
00:42:22,291 –> 00:42:25,251
he had to give it up in order for the commutation
1215
00:42:25,251 –> 00:42:25,811
to come through.
1216
00:42:26,291 –> 00:42:26,771
Nixon said,
1217
00:42:26,771 –> 00:42:29,651
you gotta pass it on to your vice president.
1218
00:42:29,651 –> 00:42:31,091
Maybe you can get it back later,
1219
00:42:31,091 –> 00:42:34,291
but I can’t commute you while you’re still president.
1220
00:42:34,611 –> 00:42:35,251
So he gives it to-
1221
00:42:35,251 –> 00:42:36,691
So he was president while in prison?
1222
00:42:36,691 –> 00:42:38,371
He was a president while in prison.
1223
00:42:39,091 –> 00:42:40,331
They loved him.
1224
00:42:40,531 –> 00:42:41,411
I mean, he was,
1225
00:42:43,051 –> 00:42:45,611
he would have been re-elected in 76,
1226
00:42:45,611 –> 00:42:46,771
which was part of the problem.
1227
00:42:46,931 –> 00:42:47,251
Okay.
1228
00:42:47,571 –> 00:42:50,771
So he’s replaced by Frank Fitzsimmons,
1229
00:42:50,771 –> 00:42:52,571
who was his right-hand man,
1230
00:42:52,571 –> 00:42:53,371
his vice president,
1231
00:42:53,371 –> 00:42:54,291
a Detroit guy,
1232
00:42:54,611 –> 00:42:57,651
Irish, very loyal,
1233
00:42:57,811 –> 00:42:59,411
well, appeared to be very loyal.
1234
00:43:00,531 –> 00:43:01,891
And he was loyal,
1235
00:43:01,891 –> 00:43:02,971
but at the end of the day,
1236
00:43:02,971 –> 00:43:04,051
he wasn’t loyal to Hoffa.
1237
00:43:04,051 –> 00:43:05,011
He was loyal to the mob.
1238
00:43:06,131 –> 00:43:07,491
And Fitzsimmons was
1239
00:43:07,971 –> 00:43:08,771
a lap dog.
1240
00:43:08,771 –> 00:43:10,771
I mean, Hoffa was a pit bull.
1241
00:43:11,091 –> 00:43:12,331
Fitzsimmons was a lap dog.
1242
00:43:13,491 –> 00:43:14,931
Hoffa was ferocious.
1243
00:43:15,571 –> 00:43:16,851
Fitzsimmons was meek.
1244
00:43:17,491 –> 00:43:21,491
And after a couple years of dealing with Fitzsimmons,
1245
00:43:22,131 –> 00:43:23,091
the mob said,
1246
00:43:23,331 –> 00:43:26,251
we’d rather deal with this guy than the headache that
1247
00:43:26,251 –> 00:43:27,091
Jimmy Hoffa is.
1248
00:43:27,171 –> 00:43:28,051
Because at that point,
1249
00:43:28,051 –> 00:43:30,131
Hoffa’s ego was totally out of control.
1250
00:43:30,131 –> 00:43:32,531
He had really gotten kind of too big for his britches,
1251
00:43:32,691 –> 00:43:33,971
wasn’t taking orders,
1252
00:43:34,211 –> 00:43:39,011
wanted bigger shares of things and more say in things
1253
00:43:39,011 –> 00:43:42,131
and thought he was bigger than the people that had
1254
00:43:42,131 –> 00:43:42,931
put him in there.
1255
00:43:43,651 –> 00:43:44,651
And he was told,
1256
00:43:44,651 –> 00:43:45,811
you’re not getting the union back.
1257
00:43:46,851 –> 00:43:47,691
And
1258
00:43:48,531 –> 00:43:51,891
This drove Hoffa crazy because that’s all he really
1259
00:43:51,891 –> 00:43:52,331
cared about.
1260
00:43:52,331 –> 00:43:53,171
This was his baby.
1261
00:43:53,651 –> 00:43:57,291
And so when he got off parole restrictions in the end
1262
00:43:57,291 –> 00:44:01,411
of 73, he goes on a media tour.
1263
00:44:02,291 –> 00:44:03,571
It goes on 60 Minutes,
1264
00:44:03,571 –> 00:44:05,011
goes on with Walter Cronkite.
1265
00:44:06,611 –> 00:44:08,771
And the media tour is telling everybody,
1266
00:44:09,331 –> 00:44:10,291
I’m coming back.
1267
00:44:10,771 –> 00:44:13,371
I’m going to reclaim the presidency in the 76 election.
1268
00:44:13,371 –> 00:44:14,611
And when I get in,
1269
00:44:15,091 –> 00:44:17,011
all these people that are trying to keep me out,
1270
00:44:17,251 –> 00:44:17,971
meaning the mob,
1271
00:44:19,171 –> 00:44:21,691
I’m going to clean the union up and I’m going to rid
1272
00:44:21,691 –> 00:44:23,571
it of all mob influence,
1273
00:44:23,731 –> 00:44:26,051
which means they’re going to get their access to the
1274
00:44:26,051 –> 00:44:27,251
pension fund cut off.
1275
00:44:28,771 –> 00:44:29,891
And he’s going around,
1276
00:44:30,691 –> 00:44:30,931
you know,
1277
00:44:30,931 –> 00:44:32,531
in these national television appearances,
1278
00:44:33,091 –> 00:44:35,411
threatening very powerful,
1279
00:44:35,411 –> 00:44:37,331
dangerous mafia figures.
1280
00:44:39,491 –> 00:44:42,851
I mean the whole mob.
1281
00:44:43,251 –> 00:44:43,931
That’s like Chicago.
1282
00:44:44,051 –> 00:44:44,691
Everybody.
1283
00:44:44,691 –> 00:44:45,571
He’s not just right.
1284
00:44:45,651 –> 00:44:47,731
He’s not just threatening Detroit.
1285
00:44:47,771 –> 00:44:48,811
He’s threatening New York,
1286
00:44:48,811 –> 00:44:50,091
Chicago, Philadelphia.
1287
00:44:50,131 –> 00:44:50,331
Yeah.
1288
00:44:50,691 –> 00:44:50,891
Wow.
1289
00:44:51,571 –> 00:44:56,611
And I would say the only thing the movie The Irishman
1290
00:44:56,931 –> 00:45:02,531
got right was Pacino’s portrayal of Hoffa.
1291
00:45:03,251 –> 00:45:08,291
I thought it did a good job of displaying how his hubris
1292
00:45:09,651 –> 00:45:10,331
Got him killed.
1293
00:45:10,331 –> 00:45:11,451
Like he just didn’t,
1294
00:45:12,291 –> 00:45:14,611
he thought he was above it all and that these people,
1295
00:45:14,611 –> 00:45:15,731
even though they were dangerous,
1296
00:45:15,731 –> 00:45:17,491
even though they had put me in power,
1297
00:45:17,491 –> 00:45:19,491
even though they had killed all these people that
1298
00:45:19,491 –> 00:45:20,051
I know about,
1299
00:45:20,051 –> 00:45:21,011
they’re not going to kill me.
1300
00:45:21,011 –> 00:45:23,811
So in 75, it looks like he’s going to win it.
1301
00:45:23,891 –> 00:45:26,611
So in 75, he’s positioned to not just win,
1302
00:45:26,611 –> 00:45:27,731
but win in a landslide.
1303
00:45:27,731 –> 00:45:28,011
Okay.
1304
00:45:28,131 –> 00:45:30,451
I mean, he was going to sweep back into power.
1305
00:45:31,971 –> 00:45:32,611
And in the,
1306
00:45:33,691 –> 00:45:33,931
let’s see,
1307
00:45:33,931 –> 00:45:36,371
the 8, nine months preceding his murder,
1308
00:45:36,691 –> 00:45:37,371
there was a,
1309
00:45:38,211 –> 00:45:41,091
a goon squad that was created by the Teamsters and
1310
00:45:41,091 –> 00:45:45,011
the mob of guys that had once been loyal to Hoffa
1311
00:45:45,251 –> 00:45:46,771
and had once been his muscle.
1312
00:45:47,171 –> 00:45:50,131
Guys that he would dispatch if he needed to lean on
1313
00:45:50,131 –> 00:45:50,531
somebody.
1314
00:45:50,691 –> 00:45:54,851
Well, then they were basically told to stop being a
1315
00:45:54,851 –> 00:45:59,411
trucker and now your job for the next year is to intimidate
1316
00:46:00,051 –> 00:46:02,611
and coerce
1317
00:46:03,011 –> 00:46:05,651
Hoffa and his people into not running.
1318
00:46:06,211 –> 00:46:09,491
And so there was a series of beatings and fire bombings
1319
00:46:09,491 –> 00:46:15,731
and shootings that really hit a crescendo July 10th,
1320
00:46:15,731 –> 00:46:18,211
which was 20 days before Hoffa disappeared on July
1321
00:46:18,211 –> 00:46:18,691
30th.
1322
00:46:19,091 –> 00:46:23,891
And the Fitzsimmons and his son had their car blown
1323
00:46:23,891 –> 00:46:25,411
up in the parking lot at Nemo’s.
1324
00:46:26,411 –> 00:46:27,411
At Nemo’s.
1325
00:46:27,411 –> 00:46:27,851
At Nemo’s.
1326
00:46:27,851 –> 00:46:28,491
Still, you know,
1327
00:46:28,491 –> 00:46:29,571
still a bar.
1328
00:46:29,731 –> 00:46:30,611
Right down the street,
1329
00:46:30,611 –> 00:46:31,211
Michigan Avenue.
1330
00:46:31,211 –> 00:46:31,811
Car bombing?
1331
00:46:31,891 –> 00:46:32,291
Yes.
1332
00:46:32,691 –> 00:46:34,371
So they bombed Fitz and his car.
1333
00:46:34,371 –> 00:46:36,531
And I tell you what I just get like tired of being
1334
00:46:36,531 –> 00:46:38,371
here all these years because it’s a hard town.
1335
00:46:38,451 –> 00:46:38,691
Yeah.
1336
00:46:39,051 –> 00:46:40,131
And you think you know it all.
1337
00:46:40,731 –> 00:46:41,091
And you know,
1338
00:46:41,571 –> 00:46:42,771
you don’t know half of it,
1339
00:46:42,771 –> 00:46:43,011
man.
1340
00:46:43,011 –> 00:46:44,931
Okay, but okay.
1341
00:46:45,757 –> 00:46:48,517
That Hoffa has gone so far off the reservation that
1342
00:46:48,517 –> 00:46:52,557
he’s putting car bombs in the in the Hoffa’s orders.
1343
00:46:53,117 –> 00:46:54,477
It was Hoffa’s orders.
1344
00:46:55,357 –> 00:46:57,917
Well, I think it’s at least his his group.
1345
00:46:58,077 –> 00:47:00,397
To this day it’s still debated about whether it was
1346
00:47:00,557 –> 00:47:04,557
Hoffa or it was the Teamsters themselves blowing up
1347
00:47:04,557 –> 00:47:07,877
their own car to make it look like Hoffa blew up the
1348
00:47:07,917 –> 00:47:09,517
car to fast track the murder.
1349
00:47:10,477 –> 00:47:11,037
I believe.
1350
00:47:11,037 –> 00:47:11,957
I believe it was Hoffa.
1351
00:47:11,997 –> 00:47:13,037
I don’t believe it.
1352
00:47:15,357 –> 00:47:18,877
Possibly take out innocent people right at a at a pretty
1353
00:47:18,877 –> 00:47:19,717
named place.
1354
00:47:19,717 –> 00:47:21,597
And then you got everybody on your head.
1355
00:47:21,997 –> 00:47:24,797
Because if this was in response to Hoffa’s one of Hoffa’s
1356
00:47:25,117 –> 00:47:26,037
close allies,
1357
00:47:26,037 –> 00:47:28,797
a guy named Dave Johnston who was a big Teamster,
1358
00:47:28,877 –> 00:47:32,557
he had his boat blown up and Grozille in Grozille.
1359
00:47:32,717 –> 00:47:33,477
Scott Bernstein,
1360
00:47:33,477 –> 00:47:35,717
I told you he’s the country’s greatest true crime
1361
00:47:35,717 –> 00:47:35,917
writer.
1362
00:47:35,917 –> 00:47:38,717
This motherfucker is deep and a board member of the
1363
00:47:38,717 –> 00:47:39,757
Mob Museum in Vegas,
1364
00:47:39,877 –> 00:47:40,717
which by the way,
1365
00:47:41,037 –> 00:47:44,077
is the second biggest attraction in Nevada right now
1366
00:47:44,317 –> 00:47:45,237
after Hoover Day.
1367
00:47:45,677 –> 00:47:47,797
Do you believe that?
1368
00:47:47,997 –> 00:47:49,677
You guys got slot machines in that museum?
1369
00:47:49,677 –> 00:47:49,917
They do.
1370
00:47:50,357 –> 00:47:52,557
And they got a and they got a speakeasy,
1371
00:47:52,557 –> 00:47:56,877
like an old school speakeasy in the.
1372
00:47:57,837 –> 00:47:59,157
Just just give me the password,
1373
00:47:59,157 –> 00:47:59,357
bro.
1374
00:47:59,837 –> 00:48:00,557
So you do.
1375
00:48:00,557 –> 00:48:01,437
You need a password again.
1376
00:48:01,437 –> 00:48:02,237
What’s the password,
1377
00:48:02,237 –> 00:48:02,357
bro?
1378
00:48:03,637 –> 00:48:04,357
Come on, give me.
1379
00:48:04,477 –> 00:48:05,077
Who killed Hoffman?
1380
00:48:05,077 –> 00:48:05,757
What’s the password?
1381
00:48:05,757 –> 00:48:06,597
July 10th.
1382
00:48:06,797 –> 00:48:07,517
July 10th.
1383
00:48:07,517 –> 00:48:08,037
So I go to the.
1384
00:48:08,157 –> 00:48:08,957
I go to the museum.
1385
00:48:09,277 –> 00:48:11,277
I just tell him July 1975,
1386
00:48:11,597 –> 00:48:13,437
the fire bombing at Nemo’s.
1387
00:48:14,077 –> 00:48:17,597
So in that quite a long password in the next 20 days,
1388
00:48:17,597 –> 00:48:20,717
the decision is made to kill him and the OK,
1389
00:48:20,717 –> 00:48:23,477
so decisions made July 10th,
1390
00:48:23,477 –> 00:48:24,637
the firebombing at Nemo’s,
1391
00:48:24,637 –> 00:48:25,837
the lunch is arranged.
1392
00:48:25,837 –> 00:48:27,917
Is there what’s going on at the red fox?
1393
00:48:27,957 –> 00:48:28,557
I mean, was it,
1394
00:48:28,797 –> 00:48:30,957
was it, was it a let’s get together and calm shit
1395
00:48:30,957 –> 00:48:31,077
down?
1396
00:48:31,077 –> 00:48:32,557
So in the next 20 days,
1397
00:48:32,957 –> 00:48:33,957
the Commission,
1398
00:48:33,957 –> 00:48:36,037
which is the board of directors of the mafia,
1399
00:48:36,037 –> 00:48:37,437
which Detroit had a seat on,
1400
00:48:37,837 –> 00:48:38,637
which was rare,
1401
00:48:38,637 –> 00:48:41,277
not a lot of cities outside of New York.
1402
00:48:41,637 –> 00:48:43,797
Buffalo did Chicago.
1403
00:48:43,917 –> 00:48:44,437
Buffalo did.
1404
00:48:44,477 –> 00:48:45,837
Chicago did Detroit.
1405
00:48:45,837 –> 00:48:46,797
No, Kansas City did not.
1406
00:48:46,797 –> 00:48:47,277
They did not.
1407
00:48:47,997 –> 00:48:48,837
Satelite is Chicago,
1408
00:48:48,997 –> 00:48:49,597
Philadelphia,
1409
00:48:49,597 –> 00:48:51,437
Detroit, Buffalo,
1410
00:48:52,797 –> 00:48:53,357
Chicago.
1411
00:48:54,397 –> 00:48:58,397
OK were the were the non New York cities that had seats
1412
00:48:58,397 –> 00:48:59,117
on the Commission.
1413
00:48:59,517 –> 00:49:00,077
Cleveland,
1414
00:49:00,077 –> 00:49:00,637
Kansas City,
1415
00:49:00,637 –> 00:49:03,997
Milwaukee were spoken for by Detroit and Chicago.
1416
00:49:03,997 –> 00:49:05,837
They represented the other Midwest families.
1417
00:49:07,117 –> 00:49:08,397
So the decisions made,
1418
00:49:08,397 –> 00:49:11,757
the contract is given to Detroit because Hoffa is
1419
00:49:11,757 –> 00:49:12,557
a Detroit asset,
1420
00:49:12,717 –> 00:49:14,397
was cultivated by Detroit,
1421
00:49:14,477 –> 00:49:15,517
managed by Detroit.
1422
00:49:15,517 –> 00:49:16,077
So Detroit,
1423
00:49:16,157 –> 00:49:17,437
it’s like basically you brought them in,
1424
00:49:17,437 –> 00:49:21,437
you take them out and the Giacaloni brothers are given
1425
00:49:21,437 –> 00:49:21,997
the contract.
1426
00:49:21,997 –> 00:49:25,757
Now the bosses of the of of the mob in Detroit have
1427
00:49:25,757 –> 00:49:27,197
always been the tocosarillis.
1428
00:49:27,517 –> 00:49:28,317
They’re royalty.
1429
00:49:28,317 –> 00:49:30,717
They’re aristocracy.
1430
00:49:31,117 –> 00:49:33,837
They’re I used to deliver flowers to them there,
1431
00:49:33,837 –> 00:49:34,877
but they weren’t.
1432
00:49:35,517 –> 00:49:37,037
They were very polished,
1433
00:49:37,437 –> 00:49:38,637
college educated.
1434
00:49:39,117 –> 00:49:42,237
The Jacalonis were the junkyard dogs.
1435
00:49:43,117 –> 00:49:45,837
The Jacalonis were the guys that did all The Dirty
1436
00:49:45,837 –> 00:49:48,157
work, the blue collar wing of the family,
1437
00:49:48,797 –> 00:49:52,357
the ones that got a lot of the headlines and and kind
1438
00:49:52,357 –> 00:49:55,357
of acted as a lightning rod for the the aristocracy.
1439
00:49:55,597 –> 00:49:58,637
So Anthony Tony Jack Jacaloni and his his younger brother
1440
00:49:58,637 –> 00:49:59,997
Vito Billy Jack Jacaloni.
1441
00:49:59,997 –> 00:50:00,637
So if you were,
1442
00:50:01,037 –> 00:50:01,277
you know,
1443
00:50:01,317 –> 00:50:02,477
a Detroiter in the.
1444
00:50:03,037 –> 00:50:03,957
50s, sixties,
1445
00:50:03,957 –> 00:50:04,797
70s, eighties,
1446
00:50:04,797 –> 00:50:07,477
90s, those names were in the news a lot.
1447
00:50:08,317 –> 00:50:10,957
And the FBI suspects the Giacaloni brothers.
1448
00:50:11,117 –> 00:50:12,397
This is not an exaggeration.
1449
00:50:12,637 –> 00:50:16,077
The FBI suspects the Giacaloni brothers of committing
1450
00:50:16,077 –> 00:50:18,317
somewhere between 50 to 100 murders.
1451
00:50:18,317 –> 00:50:18,837
So, I mean,
1452
00:50:18,837 –> 00:50:19,837
these were serial killers,
1453
00:50:19,837 –> 00:50:20,197
you know,
1454
00:50:20,197 –> 00:50:21,037
sociopaths,
1455
00:50:22,557 –> 00:50:28,717
and they were Hoffa’s long-time conduit to the Union.
1456
00:50:29,117 –> 00:50:30,317
So they were the ones.
1457
00:50:30,637 –> 00:50:33,597
That were going to arrange for his murder.
1458
00:50:34,717 –> 00:50:38,597
They went up and Hoffa at that point was living in
1459
00:50:38,597 –> 00:50:39,117
Lake Orion,
1460
00:50:40,477 –> 00:50:44,077
living at his his lake cottage up near Oakland Township,
1461
00:50:44,237 –> 00:50:44,557
right?
1462
00:50:44,557 –> 00:50:46,717
Right where it’s right where you get off for what is
1463
00:50:46,717 –> 00:50:48,157
today the Great Lakes crossing,
1464
00:50:48,397 –> 00:50:49,037
the Joslin,
1465
00:50:49,597 –> 00:50:50,877
the Joslin exit.
1466
00:50:51,357 –> 00:50:52,437
And then you go about,
1467
00:50:53,757 –> 00:50:53,957
you know,
1468
00:50:53,957 –> 00:50:57,517
less than a mile north and you hit his his property
1469
00:50:57,997 –> 00:50:58,557
and.
1470
00:50:59,677 –> 00:51:02,237
The Jackaloni’s were up there on on July 27th,
1471
00:51:02,717 –> 00:51:05,877
so three days before they were up there and they explained
1472
00:51:05,877 –> 00:51:07,277
to him, listen Jimmy,
1473
00:51:07,597 –> 00:51:08,957
we’re going to help you get the union back.
1474
00:51:09,117 –> 00:51:10,317
Now this was all a ruse,
1475
00:51:10,997 –> 00:51:12,037
but this was the way to get.
1476
00:51:12,037 –> 00:51:14,957
They knew the only way they were really going to get
1477
00:51:14,957 –> 00:51:19,477
him out in the open was to let him know it was safe.
1478
00:51:19,597 –> 00:51:21,557
To let him know it was safe was was to tell him what
1479
00:51:21,557 –> 00:51:22,237
he wanted to hear,
1480
00:51:22,517 –> 00:51:22,877
which was,
1481
00:51:22,877 –> 00:51:25,597
hey, we’re going to make all your problems go away.
1482
00:51:26,077 –> 00:51:27,037
We’re your friends.
1483
00:51:27,277 –> 00:51:30,077
We’re going to do what you need us to do to get your
1484
00:51:30,237 –> 00:51:31,117
your union back.
1485
00:51:31,357 –> 00:51:33,077
And the way you’re going to get the union back is you’re
1486
00:51:33,077 –> 00:51:36,397
going to squash your beef with with Tony Provenzano,
1487
00:51:36,717 –> 00:51:39,197
who was a New Jersey mobster,
1488
00:51:39,997 –> 00:51:42,557
ran all of the Teamsters action on the East Coast,
1489
00:51:42,797 –> 00:51:44,237
controlled all those delegates.
1490
00:51:44,637 –> 00:51:48,997
So Hoffa did need Provenzano’s sign off to get those
1491
00:51:48,997 –> 00:51:50,717
delegates for the 76th election.
1492
00:51:51,437 –> 00:51:53,077
Provenzano and Hoffa used to be very,
1493
00:51:53,077 –> 00:51:53,997
very close friends.
1494
00:51:54,797 –> 00:51:57,277
And they had a huge falling out when they were in prison.
1495
00:51:58,317 –> 00:52:03,237
And throughout the 1970s,
1496
00:52:03,237 –> 00:52:04,717
up until Hoffa’s disappearance,
1497
00:52:04,717 –> 00:52:06,877
they were bitter enemies,
1498
00:52:07,277 –> 00:52:09,197
threatening to kill each other and kill each other’s
1499
00:52:09,197 –> 00:52:09,757
families.
1500
00:52:09,837 –> 00:52:10,797
I mean, that’s how bad it got.
1501
00:52:11,597 –> 00:52:15,957
And so the Giacalonis came to him and said,
1502
00:52:15,957 –> 00:52:20,517
listen, Tony Provenzano has agreed to to mend fences
1503
00:52:20,517 –> 00:52:20,877
with you.
1504
00:52:21,677 –> 00:52:22,877
And oh, by the way,
1505
00:52:23,277 –> 00:52:24,077
next week.
1506
00:52:24,517 –> 00:52:26,637
Bill Bufalino’s marrying off his daughter,
1507
00:52:27,197 –> 00:52:30,757
so there’s going to be a a mob wedding with mafia
1508
00:52:30,757 –> 00:52:32,597
luminaries from around the country are going to be
1509
00:52:32,597 –> 00:52:33,997
coming into Detroit this week.
1510
00:52:34,557 –> 00:52:36,877
So we’re going to have Tony Pro come in a couple days
1511
00:52:36,877 –> 00:52:38,677
early and we’re going to have this meeting.
1512
00:52:39,357 –> 00:52:41,037
And in the meeting you’re going to say,
1513
00:52:41,077 –> 00:52:41,517
I’m sorry,
1514
00:52:41,517 –> 00:52:41,917
Tony.
1515
00:52:41,917 –> 00:52:42,597
And Tony’s going to say,
1516
00:52:42,597 –> 00:52:42,957
I’m sorry,
1517
00:52:42,957 –> 00:52:45,077
Jimmy, you’re going to shake hands and you’re going
1518
00:52:45,077 –> 00:52:47,757
to be back on track to take over the Teamsters union.
1519
00:52:48,317 –> 00:52:50,717
So the the meeting was supposed to be at the Machus
1520
00:52:50,717 –> 00:52:51,277
Red Fox.
1521
00:52:51,277 –> 00:52:52,557
It was supposed to be Tony Giacalone,
1522
00:52:53,037 –> 00:52:54,157
Tony Provenzano.
1523
00:52:54,637 –> 00:52:55,997
And Lenny Schultz,
1524
00:52:56,397 –> 00:52:58,317
who was a Jewish racketeer,
1525
00:52:59,277 –> 00:53:01,357
traces his roots all the way back to the Purple Gang,
1526
00:53:01,917 –> 00:53:05,557
became a right hand for for Tony Giacaloni and owned
1527
00:53:05,557 –> 00:53:06,797
the Southfield Athletic Club,
1528
00:53:07,157 –> 00:53:10,077
which was Tony Giacaloni’s daily headquarters,
1529
00:53:10,397 –> 00:53:11,837
which was in the Travelers Towers.
1530
00:53:12,077 –> 00:53:16,797
Travelers Towers still exists today on right off of
1531
00:53:16,797 –> 00:53:19,757
69611 in Evergreen.
1532
00:53:20,037 –> 00:53:23,197
OK, Southfield in Southfield.
1533
00:53:24,197 –> 00:53:25,117
What are you,
1534
00:53:25,437 –> 00:53:28,477
a fucking real estate agent?
1535
00:53:28,557 –> 00:53:28,917
Come on, guys,
1536
00:53:28,917 –> 00:53:31,197
let’s move along here.
1537
00:53:32,157 –> 00:53:34,597
And so what’s up with the lunch here?
1538
00:53:34,597 –> 00:53:35,437
Who’s supposed to be at the lunch?
1539
00:53:35,437 –> 00:53:36,597
So they were supposed to be at the lunches.
1540
00:53:36,597 –> 00:53:36,957
Lenny Schultz,
1541
00:53:36,957 –> 00:53:40,037
Tony Pro and Tony Jack Hoffa.
1542
00:53:40,637 –> 00:53:44,557
Actually, Hoffa had a a photo shoot the morning that
1543
00:53:44,557 –> 00:53:45,157
he disappeared,
1544
00:53:45,157 –> 00:53:48,157
and there’s a famous photo of him kind of looking
1545
00:53:48,157 –> 00:53:52,877
off into the water with kind of his hands on his knees.
1546
00:53:53,277 –> 00:53:55,997
And it’s a a photo that’s been used countless times.
1547
00:53:56,317 –> 00:53:59,757
That photo was snapped hours before he got killed.
1548
00:54:00,237 –> 00:54:01,357
So he does a photo shoot.
1549
00:54:02,157 –> 00:54:03,717
He goes to the meeting.
1550
00:54:03,757 –> 00:54:05,597
It’s supposed to take place at 2:00,
1551
00:54:06,157 –> 00:54:08,837
shows up at the Machus Red Fox at 15 and Telegraph
1552
00:54:08,837 –> 00:54:09,757
in Bloomfield Township,
1553
00:54:10,557 –> 00:54:11,517
and nobody’s there.
1554
00:54:12,237 –> 00:54:13,917
And he sits for about 1/2 hour,
1555
00:54:13,917 –> 00:54:14,717
40 minutes.
1556
00:54:15,517 –> 00:54:17,037
He thinks he’s been stood up.
1557
00:54:17,757 –> 00:54:18,877
He leaves.
1558
00:54:19,357 –> 00:54:20,117
The Red Fox.
1559
00:54:20,117 –> 00:54:22,797
He goes to the Bloomfield Shopping Plaza,
1560
00:54:22,797 –> 00:54:25,077
which is Red Fox,
1561
00:54:25,077 –> 00:54:26,317
which is now Andiamo,
1562
00:54:26,877 –> 00:54:31,197
sits in the the parking lot of the Bloomfield Bloomfield
1563
00:54:31,197 –> 00:54:32,317
Plaza shopping mall.
1564
00:54:32,637 –> 00:54:34,157
Hoffa goes to a pay phone,
1565
00:54:34,797 –> 00:54:35,597
calls his wife.
1566
00:54:35,717 –> 00:54:38,157
Because there is no meeting.
1567
00:54:38,477 –> 00:54:39,197
They ditched it.
1568
00:54:39,517 –> 00:54:41,237
I’m going to go pick up some steaks at the grocery
1569
00:54:41,237 –> 00:54:41,477
store.
1570
00:54:41,477 –> 00:54:42,117
I’m going to come home.
1571
00:54:42,117 –> 00:54:43,357
I’m going to grill steaks for dinner.
1572
00:54:44,237 –> 00:54:46,797
As he’s headed back to his car to leave,
1573
00:54:47,117 –> 00:54:53,117
he’s intercepted by a 1975 maroon-colored Mercury
1574
00:54:53,117 –> 00:54:53,557
Marquis.
1575
00:54:53,557 –> 00:54:58,877
It was a car that was owned by Joey Giacalone,
1576
00:54:58,957 –> 00:55:00,557
Tony Giacalone’s younger son,
1577
00:55:00,557 –> 00:55:01,197
youngest son,
1578
00:55:02,397 –> 00:55:04,637
and Hoffa is.
1579
00:55:07,037 –> 00:55:12,877
Is is coerced into the car and they go off on the Telegraph
1580
00:55:12,877 –> 00:55:14,877
Road and nobody ever sees Jimmy Hoffa again.
1581
00:55:14,997 –> 00:55:18,677
Which leads us to Macomb County Community College,
1582
00:55:18,677 –> 00:55:19,837
July 23rd.
1583
00:55:20,077 –> 00:55:20,717
One more time.
1584
00:55:20,797 –> 00:55:21,677
July 23rd,
1585
00:55:21,677 –> 00:55:22,957
Macomb Community College,
1586
00:55:22,957 –> 00:55:25,717
the South Campus at 12 and Hayes 7:00 to 9:00.
1587
00:55:25,717 –> 00:55:29,357
We’re going to do an hour and a half of a multimedia
1588
00:55:29,517 –> 00:55:30,637
event presentation,
1589
00:55:30,797 –> 00:55:32,637
half hour of question and answers.
1590
00:55:32,877 –> 00:55:35,997
You can go to ogmediaevents.com.
1591
00:55:36,517 –> 00:55:37,677
It’s $30 a ticket.
1592
00:55:37,677 –> 00:55:38,717
You can come in,
1593
00:55:39,277 –> 00:55:40,317
you can, you know,
1594
00:55:40,797 –> 00:55:44,637
hitch a ride to to learning about parts of history
1595
00:55:44,637 –> 00:55:47,917
that nobody has really ever been Privy to.
1596
00:55:48,037 –> 00:55:50,477
And we’re going to be really kind of wrapping this
1597
00:55:50,477 –> 00:55:51,677
up and putting a bow on it.
1598
00:55:51,917 –> 00:55:54,437
Whether the FBI decides to close down the investigation
1599
00:55:54,437 –> 00:55:55,477
in a couple weeks or not,
1600
00:55:55,477 –> 00:55:55,997
I don’t know.
1601
00:55:55,997 –> 00:55:56,717
Let’s see what you got.
1602
00:55:57,117 –> 00:55:59,677
But I’m eager to exciting after 50 years,
1603
00:55:59,677 –> 00:56:00,037
kind of say,
1604
00:56:00,037 –> 00:56:00,557
hey, listen.
1605
00:56:01,757 –> 00:56:02,877
The three of us come from,
1606
00:56:03,037 –> 00:56:03,237
you know,
1607
00:56:03,277 –> 00:56:04,477
three different angles on this.
1608
00:56:04,717 –> 00:56:07,797
We all agree that this is what happened and we want
1609
00:56:07,837 –> 00:56:08,557
to share.
1610
00:56:08,597 –> 00:56:09,557
And here are the receipts.
1611
00:56:10,317 –> 00:56:10,997
Fascinating,
1612
00:56:10,997 –> 00:56:11,117
man.
1613
00:56:11,197 –> 00:56:13,437
Listen, didn’t you used to cover high school football
1614
00:56:13,437 –> 00:56:13,757
for like,
1615
00:56:13,757 –> 00:56:14,037
I did.
1616
00:56:14,117 –> 00:56:14,877
I did a lot of.
1617
00:56:14,957 –> 00:56:15,437
So I moved.
1618
00:56:15,517 –> 00:56:19,797
So I wrote my first book and it came out in 2007 and
1619
00:56:19,797 –> 00:56:20,957
I’ve written five since then.
1620
00:56:21,277 –> 00:56:24,797
But yes, I moonlighted doing football recruiting,
1621
00:56:24,797 –> 00:56:25,837
football and basketball,
1622
00:56:26,077 –> 00:56:26,957
college recruiting.
1623
00:56:27,197 –> 00:56:27,677
Oh, no kidding.
1624
00:56:28,637 –> 00:56:28,957
Thank you.
1625
00:56:28,957 –> 00:56:31,837
And now I’m now I’m kind of my own.
1626
00:56:31,877 –> 00:56:32,397
Like I said,
1627
00:56:32,397 –> 00:56:34,717
I was inspired by you kind of my own brand.
1628
00:56:34,957 –> 00:56:38,157
Check out Original Gangsters podcast on YouTube.
1629
00:56:38,477 –> 00:56:39,717
We’re, you know,
1630
00:56:39,717 –> 00:56:46,037
well over 10 million imprints and we have listeners
1631
00:56:46,037 –> 00:56:49,677
and viewers from I think five of seven continents
1632
00:56:50,157 –> 00:56:52,637
and we’re we’re real proud of what we’re doing over
1633
00:56:52,717 –> 00:56:52,837
there.
1634
00:56:52,837 –> 00:56:54,077
And and one minute,
1635
00:56:54,477 –> 00:56:55,517
one minute only.
1636
00:56:57,197 –> 00:57:00,397
P Diddy’s Detroit Connections Go Well,
1637
00:57:00,717 –> 00:57:03,357
there would be no Bad Boy Records if it wasn’t for
1638
00:57:03,357 –> 00:57:05,477
Detroit’s Black Mafia Family BMF.
1639
00:57:05,477 –> 00:57:07,077
There’s a show on Starz right now.
1640
00:57:07,077 –> 00:57:07,637
I work on it.
1641
00:57:07,637 –> 00:57:08,877
I’ve worked on it for the last five years.
1642
00:57:08,877 –> 00:57:11,197
Shout out to Starz and G Unit and 50 Cent.
1643
00:57:12,077 –> 00:57:13,117
Go check out that show.
1644
00:57:14,317 –> 00:57:18,197
Black Mafia Family back in 1993 seeded Bad Boy Records
1645
00:57:18,197 –> 00:57:18,997
with an investment.
1646
00:57:20,477 –> 00:57:20,597
The.
1647
00:57:22,637 –> 00:57:25,117
Had a security for Bad Boy Records was a black mafia
1648
00:57:25,117 –> 00:57:27,757
family Lieutenant named Uncle Pauly Buford,
1649
00:57:27,917 –> 00:57:31,197
whose name has come up in the racketeering trial.
1650
00:57:31,517 –> 00:57:34,717
He threatened to throw P Diddy’s personal assistant
1651
00:57:35,037 –> 00:57:38,677
into the East River if she didn’t divulge her knowledge
1652
00:57:38,677 –> 00:57:42,317
of a of a theft of of Puffy’s jewelry.
1653
00:57:42,557 –> 00:57:44,397
And then Cassie,
1654
00:57:44,397 –> 00:57:47,117
who was Puffy’s toy.
1655
00:57:48,077 –> 00:57:50,717
Yeah, punching bag for for a decade.
1656
00:57:51,517 –> 00:57:54,757
She’s now married and has three kids with a a guy from
1657
00:57:54,757 –> 00:57:55,197
Lake Orion.
1658
00:57:56,477 –> 00:57:58,517
So I don’t know if that was a meme Mark just put up.
1659
00:57:58,557 –> 00:58:00,317
No, it it broke while we were on.
1660
00:58:00,317 –> 00:58:01,037
So it broke.
1661
00:58:01,037 –> 00:58:02,237
It says Diddy gets off.
1662
00:58:02,237 –> 00:58:03,277
I just thought that was a meme.
1663
00:58:03,277 –> 00:58:04,877
But he that’s from the New York Post today.
1664
00:58:05,037 –> 00:58:08,877
So he’s Diddy acquitted on top charges in bombshell
1665
00:58:08,877 –> 00:58:12,797
sex trafficking case found guilty only of prostitution.
1666
00:58:12,797 –> 00:58:14,317
Yep, charges three and five.
1667
00:58:14,797 –> 00:58:16,957
They overcharged apparently.
1668
00:58:17,717 –> 00:58:18,237
Apparently.
1669
00:58:19,437 –> 00:58:19,757
All right,
1670
00:58:20,557 –> 00:58:21,357
Scott Bernstein.
1671
00:58:21,357 –> 00:58:22,877
Well, I’m see you on the 23rd.
1672
00:58:22,877 –> 00:58:23,197
Thank you,
1673
00:58:23,197 –> 00:58:23,437
Sir.
1674
00:58:23,437 –> 00:58:24,277
Before we go.
1675
00:58:24,277 –> 00:58:30,637
And then I I my daily reporting is on my web magazine,
1676
00:58:30,637 –> 00:58:31,437
Gangster Report,
1677
00:58:31,437 –> 00:58:34,277
www.gangstareport.com.
1678
00:58:34,277 –> 00:58:38,677
And we cover real-time organized crime around the country,
1679
00:58:38,677 –> 00:58:40,157
whether it be Italian mobsters,
1680
00:58:40,397 –> 00:58:42,157
biker bosses and drug dealers.
1681
00:58:42,477 –> 00:58:43,437
Let me give you this.
1682
00:58:43,437 –> 00:58:43,677
Yeah.
1683
00:58:45,197 –> 00:58:46,557
In honor of 4th of July,
1684
00:58:46,557 –> 00:58:50,037
in the in the service of the founding and the maintenance
1685
00:58:50,037 –> 00:58:51,837
of this great country is my own family,
1686
00:58:51,837 –> 00:58:52,717
my daughters,
1687
00:58:53,597 –> 00:58:55,757
grandfathers through the centuries,
1688
00:58:56,957 –> 00:58:59,197
265 years ago,
1689
00:58:59,397 –> 00:59:00,557
Charles Leglanc,
1690
00:59:02,557 –> 00:59:04,637
the commander of the Indian force of the French and
1691
00:59:04,637 –> 00:59:06,677
Indian War at the Battle of Montreal,
1692
00:59:06,677 –> 00:59:07,797
1760.
1693
00:59:07,917 –> 00:59:11,757
This it it was written his actions that day.
1694
00:59:12,397 –> 00:59:13,357
Le Glanc, the Indians,
1695
00:59:13,357 –> 00:59:15,357
and most of the militia took cover in the trees and
1696
00:59:15,357 –> 00:59:17,357
bushes on the front of the left flank of the British
1697
00:59:17,357 –> 00:59:17,757
army.
1698
00:59:18,157 –> 00:59:19,517
From the protection of this cover,
1699
00:59:19,517 –> 00:59:21,837
they threw a telling fire at the assembled troops.
1700
00:59:22,797 –> 00:59:23,677
Outnumbered 10 to one,
1701
00:59:23,677 –> 00:59:23,997
by the way.
1702
00:59:24,397 –> 00:59:26,957
Although the British soldiers absorbed terrible losses,
1703
00:59:27,197 –> 00:59:29,197
they kept their ranks and held their fire until the
1704
00:59:29,197 –> 00:59:30,717
French regulars approached.
1705
00:59:31,037 –> 00:59:31,917
During the battle,
1706
00:59:32,077 –> 00:59:33,757
Le Glanc fought bravely,
1707
00:59:34,077 –> 00:59:34,637
and later,
1708
00:59:34,917 –> 00:59:35,997
Amabelle Daguerre,
1709
00:59:36,077 –> 00:59:37,037
one of his companions,
1710
00:59:37,037 –> 00:59:39,597
described Le Glanc’s behavior during the battle as
1711
00:59:39,597 –> 00:59:40,157
such.
1712
00:59:41,117 –> 00:59:43,917
He never saw so perfectly cool and fearless a man on
1713
00:59:43,917 –> 00:59:44,877
the field of battle.
1714
00:59:45,157 –> 00:59:46,397
When Leglon here,
1715
00:59:46,517 –> 00:59:50,157
when his gun barrel had got so hot from repeated and
1716
00:59:50,157 –> 00:59:51,277
rapid discharges,
1717
00:59:51,517 –> 00:59:54,717
he took the occasion to stop a little while that it
1718
00:59:54,717 –> 00:59:55,517
might cool,
1719
00:59:56,077 –> 00:59:58,077
when he would draw his pipe from his pouch,
1720
00:59:58,077 –> 00:59:58,877
cut his tobacco,
1721
00:59:58,877 –> 00:59:59,597
fill his pipe,
1722
00:59:59,597 –> 01:00:00,957
take a piece of punk wood,
1723
01:00:01,197 –> 01:00:03,357
and strike fire with his steel and Flint,
1724
01:00:03,597 –> 01:00:05,117
and light and smoke his pipe,
1725
01:00:05,517 –> 01:00:07,917
all with as much sankfroid as.
1726
01:00:08,237 –> 01:00:09,357
At his own fireside,
1727
01:00:09,357 –> 01:00:11,597
and having cooled his gun and refreshed himself,
1728
01:00:11,837 –> 01:00:14,757
would resume his place and play well his part in the
1729
01:00:14,757 –> 01:00:15,277
battle.
1730
01:00:16,157 –> 01:00:17,197
Despite the bravery,
1731
01:00:17,197 –> 01:00:18,957
Leglon and his companions,
1732
01:00:18,957 –> 01:00:21,597
the order and discipline of the French regulars prevailed,
1733
01:00:21,837 –> 01:00:23,997
and the tide of the battle soon became apparent.
1734
01:00:24,317 –> 01:00:25,117
The French lines,
1735
01:00:25,117 –> 01:00:26,717
filled in part by Canadians,
1736
01:00:26,917 –> 01:00:28,797
unaccustomed to open field warfare,
1737
01:00:28,957 –> 01:00:31,197
soon broke rank and started to run away.
1738
01:00:32,557 –> 01:00:34,957
Canadians ran away on my my grandfather.
1739
01:00:35,997 –> 01:00:38,157
Is this is this him right there?
1740
01:00:38,317 –> 01:00:39,597
Cause he kind of looks just like you.
1741
01:00:40,317 –> 01:00:41,077
Yeah, that is.
1742
01:00:41,077 –> 01:00:42,117
That would be my grandfather,
1743
01:00:42,117 –> 01:00:42,717
Charles LeGlanc,
1744
01:00:43,117 –> 01:00:46,077
considered the the grandfather of Wisconsin.
1745
01:00:46,397 –> 01:00:48,757
Born on born in Mackinac Island.
1746
01:00:49,037 –> 01:00:50,157
Became the comment out there.
1747
01:00:50,717 –> 01:00:53,517
OK, a Speaking of comment on Mackinac Island would
1748
01:00:53,517 –> 01:00:55,437
be my grandfather William Marshall.
1749
01:00:55,597 –> 01:00:59,117
140 years ago he made the front page of the New York
1750
01:00:59,117 –> 01:01:02,557
Times and on his death in 1884.
1751
01:01:04,157 –> 01:01:05,757
I wish to honor my grandfather,
1752
01:01:05,917 –> 01:01:07,357
Ordnance Sergeant William Marshall.
1753
01:01:07,357 –> 01:01:11,037
He served from 1823 until his death in 1884.
1754
01:01:11,397 –> 01:01:12,357
At 84 years old,
1755
01:01:12,357 –> 01:01:15,357
Marshall is the oldest active serviceman in the history
1756
01:01:15,677 –> 01:01:16,637
of the United States.
1757
01:01:16,637 –> 01:01:17,917
As far as my research goes,
1758
01:01:18,237 –> 01:01:19,997
his legacy has never been acknowledged.
1759
01:01:20,237 –> 01:01:21,757
I hope that it shall someday.
1760
01:01:21,997 –> 01:01:23,957
And sincere thanks to all who have served.
1761
01:01:24,477 –> 01:01:24,917
And finally,
1762
01:01:24,917 –> 01:01:25,757
60 years ago,
1763
01:01:25,757 –> 01:01:26,397
my father,
1764
01:01:26,397 –> 01:01:27,597
my daughter’s grandfather,
1765
01:01:27,957 –> 01:01:29,677
his name is Royal Charles Ladouf.
1766
01:01:30,477 –> 01:01:31,597
He served in Nam.
1767
01:01:32,797 –> 01:01:33,997
Never talked much about it,
1768
01:01:33,997 –> 01:01:34,877
but before he passed,
1769
01:01:34,877 –> 01:01:37,997
he sent me a jumbled bag of bars and ribbons.
1770
01:01:37,997 –> 01:01:39,517
That’s his expeditionary medal.
1771
01:01:41,997 –> 01:01:43,437
When Pops got home to Detroit,
1772
01:01:43,437 –> 01:01:45,517
he drove a truck for Wonder Bread for a bet.
1773
01:01:46,077 –> 01:01:47,677
Recalling the troubles of 68,
1774
01:01:47,677 –> 01:01:48,557
my father told me,
1775
01:01:48,557 –> 01:01:52,157
Son, the bread truck don’t show up in a riot or a
1776
01:01:52,157 –> 01:01:52,557
war.
1777
01:01:52,797 –> 01:01:53,757
It’s worth remembering,
1778
01:01:53,757 –> 01:01:54,477
my friends.
1779
01:01:54,957 –> 01:01:55,597
Happy birthday,
1780
01:01:55,597 –> 01:01:56,397
United States.
1781
01:01:56,397 –> 01:01:57,157
Keep it together.
1782
01:01:57,157 –> 01:01:57,677
And again,
1783
01:01:57,677 –> 01:01:58,877
thank you all for your service.
1784
01:01:59,357 –> 01:02:00,077
Scott Bernstein.
1785
01:02:00,077 –> 01:02:00,677
Love you, brother.
1786
01:02:00,677 –> 01:02:00,997
Thank you,
1787
01:02:00,997 –> 01:02:01,277
man.
1788
01:02:02,117 –> 01:02:02,557
For real.
