You’re broke. You’re worried, America.
They’re not. The officials you elected herd into the barn with big business, milk each other, and settle on a plan sell you out. The pigs sleep in the farmer’s house, their sucklings get jobs on Wall Street and you shiver in the outhouse.
Listen to the former ambassador to Mexico tells you how your jobs getting shipped away is actually good for you, while saying how the importation of Third World labor will make you richer.
Immigration is good for America, says Chris Cabrera, spokesman for the Border Patrol Council, but only when it’s orderly. Everybody seems to know this, but those you elect. Of course they can’t see anything, they’re in the dark opposum’s pouch lined with your money.
In Detroit, they give the billionaires more billions in development welfare cash, while our schoolchildren spin toward oblivion. The Mayor appears on 60 Minutes with Jamie Dimon, overlord of the JP Morgan Chase Deathstar, calling him the savior of Motown. We can find no evidence of it, except for the Lieutenant Governor’s overripe real estate deal.
It’s no bullshit, just ask White Boy Rick, who calls in live from Miami.
Speaker 1:
Hey, how you doing? You want to see me school an ambassador? Watch this.
Speaker 2:
I want to bring in former US ambassador to Mexico, Earl Anthony Wayne, 2011 and 2015, and Pulitzer Prizewinning journalist host of the No BS News Hour. Charlie LeDuff, lot of time at the border knows what’s going on. Thank you both gentlemen. Mr. Ambassador the point of going down there, what do you think the president succeeded in going down there?
Speaker 3:
Well, I think he hadn’t gone there before, so just being there was an important sign, and this was accompanied by his announcements last week that he wants to move to a new system for trying to create legal pathways, just as you mentioned, for people to come from a number of these countries that are big source countries. And then you have the big positives of the trade growth that’s been going on. A lot of trade is moving across that Mexican border and the border with Canada. Okay,
Speaker 2:
Charlie, do you see it that way?
Speaker 4:
I guess? Well, it’s theater, but what does it accomplish? Ambassador I’m, I’m up here in Detroit. The trade we see going down is the good jobs, the factory jobs, the electric vehicle jobs. What’s coming up here is cheap labor. And for sure, because you’re close to these people, part of the reason for letting the labor in is to suppress wages in the United States because of the inflationary pressure on wages. So if you import cheap labor, you lower the wages for what’s left in America and then pretty soon what do we have people here competing for less money and the good old fashioned Detroit jobs over there? Explain that one to us up here. Please
Speaker 2:
Respond Mr. Invest.
Speaker 3:
Okay. I’m happy to do that. Yes. Well, the facts show that in fact, trade with both Mexico and Canada have created more high level, high paying jobs in the United States. It is true that some jobs have moved to Mexico. Unless we work together, unless we invest in the United States and work with our neighbors, we’re not going to be as competitive against China as we could be and against other places in the world that are great manufacturing powers. 40% of a car put together in Mexico is from the United States. We send those parts down there, they get put together, they come back. That is cheaper for the American consumer. Maybe a thousand dollars, maybe $1,500 for that car when it comes back up. Now it does create, there are jobs created in the United States. All the design of that new technology, all the creation of that high tech is taking place in the us What that means, but
Speaker 4:
That’s always
Speaker 3:
Here, sir, in our workers.
Speaker 2:
Hold on ambassadors. Charlie, what’s the last
Speaker 4:
NAFTA did not in any nafta, did not in any way create any high tech jobs. High tech created high tech jobs. Americans have always designed the cars. You just said that 60% of the parts that go into a car are in Mexico and the assemblage goes on in Mexico. That used to go on here. And I have no idea what you’re talking about, what Haiti has to do with this, what Venezuela has to do with this, what Nicaragua has to do with this and what Cuba has to do with this. This was a manufactured visit. It was stage theater in a parking lot, sir. You know it. I know it. And it’ll do nothing to stop fentanyl and it’ll nothing to stop the flow because this proposal he put forward only invites people in 30,000 get to come in from these four countries. 30,000 will be ejected. And there’s fully another 30,000 that we don’t know what to do with from these countries and the other 150,000. I agree. Free trade. It’s out of the bag. That’s the way it is. You talk about China, we created them too. And Trudeau is down there in Mexico City as we speak, lobbying Biden to take back all refugees that cross his border from the United States. That is true, sir. Is it not?
Speaker 3:
Well, I think we have to look at the whole agenda that they’re working on and not just pick one little part of a visit. We do need to work with these neighbors if we’re going to compete effectively against China and others in the world. That’s what this is about. The migration problem is a big problem. It’s going to take a while.
Speaker 2:
Mr. Ambassador, I appreciate your indulgence of the conversation. Charlie, I love you in high dungeon. Brother, I love you in high dungeon when your arms unfolded. I’m a happy man. We’ll keep talking about this. We’ll go down there. Charlie Lauff has done the work. He’s one. He is one of the real journalist in this country who will show you the risk and the fear and the danger that may push us to make leaders do something apparently they don’t want to do. Gentlemen, thank you both very much. Coming up live
Speaker 5:
The
Speaker 6:
Bullshit.
Speaker 7:
Just a breaking double more bullshit. Double more bullshit.
Speaker 4:
Now what you just saw there is the profession of politics is inhabited by people too ugly for a career of stage and screen professional adult pretenders, side talkers, the latest proof played out in the no man’s land known as the southwestern border. This week before arriving in Mexico City to meet with President Andres Lopez Opor and Canadian Prime Minister Justin Truk, president Joe Biden made a theatrical stop to Texas. The streets were conspicuously sanitized. Believe me when I tell you El Paso never looked so clean. The fact finding mission came just days after the Mexican military captured the rat Guzman son of Joaquin El Chapo Guzman, and aired to the Sinoa cartel crime syndicate. Joe wanted something done about the avalanche of fentanyl pouring across the border since the Republicans were bitching about it and making it a scene before he arrived. For his four hour photo op in El Paso and Listo Guzman, the rat is in a cage.
It was a remarkable bit of stagecraft from Mexico, raging gun battles, burning school buses, child soldiers, and the rat taken into custody, dressed in a crisp Oxford and a clean ball cap. But don’t be fooled into thinking there’s a new era of cooperation in the NAFTA block because the tentacles of the cartel reached to the very top of Mexican government. Consider Guzman was captured back in 2019, only to be ordered, released by Obrador in the name of peace and safety now dissolve into 2021. General Salvador Sien Fuegos, the former Mexican defense minister who had been arrested at LAX and accused by American authorities of accepting bribes from drug cartels, was returned to Mexican officials who promised to prosecute him. But we’re talking about Mexico and Sien Fuegos known as El Padrino. The Godfather was never put on trial. In fact, he was cleared of all charges and released and his whereabouts are unknown.
Then there is he Garcia Luna, the former director of the Mexican equivalent of the F B I, his job hunt top drug lord’s and their lieutenants. What’s Garcia doing now? He’s in US Federal court in Brooklyn, accused of protecting cocaine smugglers in Mexico. I kid you not Now. Not to be outdone Mexico’s former president before obor. His name’s Enrico Nto Pena. He was fingered by a federal witness, a Columbian drug boss in court, claiming that he Soto accept a hundred million dollar bribe from El Chapo. Wow. Mexico is a failed state and the cartels have expanded into the lucrative trade of human smuggling, estimated to earn them 15 billion last year alone. Mexico has shown little willingness to help with this human tragedy. And why would they biden’s El Paso performance was weak and unconvincing a drive by filmed on a sound stage. Border patrol agents who will join us in a moment complained that Biden avoided the hotspots of migrants that even the most casual tours could find in El Paso.
Biden played the role of both the humanist and the hardliner under his new plan. As you just heard me tell the ambassador, 30,000 people from Haiti, Nicaragua, Cuba, and Venezuela will be allowed in the United States every month under something called humanitarian parole, which never existed at this level or for this reason ever. It’s against the law. Under the same Biden plan, Mexico has agreed to take back 30,000 people from these countries who enter the United States illegally. Now again, you heard it. This still leaves an additional 30,000 people from these countries who jumped the border every month. What happens to them? Nada. So how does this affect you? Who lives up here on the northern border? The White House says it wants to allow more of these immigrants who are drifting in limbo to enter the United States to increase labor supply and thus lower wage inflation.
That’s part of the administration’s immigration reform strategy. Want the translation Because I speak gobbly Bullshit please. We get the poor and the poor get work. While our bread and butter jobs in the industrial Midwest auto jobs, Detroit Auto Jobs, Indiana Auto Jobs, Ohio, they will continue to migrate to Mexico where labor is cheap and profits are fat. This is the facts. This is the White House. This isn’t me. Now you might think where I’m at with this, here’s where I’m at with this. Immigrants make this country stronger, a fresh injection of blood and culture and family. It makes us better, but at this magnitude, we are up here, our ticket holders to a soft core comedy where the rich get richer and the poor get children. And that’s the way that goes. And I’d like to welcome in Karen Dumas and Chris Cabrera, the Vice President of the National Border Patrol Council. How you doing folks?
Speaker 8:
Hey, Charlie <laugh>. I’m doing well. That was a good exchange with that ambassador.
Speaker 4:
What’s that, Karen?
Speaker 8:
That was a great exchange with the ambassador. This
Speaker 4:
Fucking pinhead. You’re still using those talking points from 94?
Speaker 8:
Yeah, that was good.
Speaker 4:
No, you’re a Detroiter. Karen. Do you think any of us in Michigan, if we had a crystal ball and the NAFTA vote would be tomorrow, would we go for it?
Speaker 8:
No.
Speaker 4:
Did China work for us?
Speaker 8:
No. Don’t you find it? None of it’s worked for us, Charlie. I mean it hasn’t, and at some point, just like the ambassador was saying, I mean it becomes just repetitious. Gobbly good. It has no substance, it has no meaning. And at the end of the day, we aren’t stupid.
Speaker 4:
Yeah. Hey Chris. I couldn’t believe it, dude. I know ambassadors. I’ve interviewed them, but I’ve never been on a panel where I don’t control the questioning and it just, something went off in my head. What am I? Oh my God.
Speaker 9:
Yeah, I think sometimes you got to hit him like that. I mean, he was just used to, well, I mean he’s a politician. He’s just used to giving you the runaround, not giving you the answer to your question. And it was plainly obvious what he was saying. Well, you got to look at the whole picture and not just one part of it. Well, why can’t you just look at one part of it? Why can’t you look at one part of it, look at all the parts individually, and then look it at it as a whole? Cause that doesn’t benefit his way of beating around the bush.
Speaker 4:
Well, let me do this. Let’s look at what part of it you again are the vice President of the National Border Patrol Council, which is the union that represents Border patrol agents. You’re an honors broker. Cool dude not a hater. Let’s look at one part of it. What did you make of Biden’s trip to El Paso and the streets being clean and the fact that he didn’t see any migrants?
Speaker 9:
Well, it was a dog. We call it the dog and pony show. I mean, they saw it. He saw what they wanted him to see. He fell right into it, which is good with him. Good for him. Because I mean, the city of El Paso failed miserably. How was the city going to say, we need you to reimburse us for all this money that we’ve spent dealing with these illegal immigrants that are coming here. And then he goes there and says, well, what illegal immigrants, I don’t see anybody. So the city of El Paso cleaning it up, they failed miserably. The border patrol management, having them help clean out the city of El Paso, so he doesn’t see anything. They failed miserably. Now, so you have the people that are denying that there’s a border issue, but just prove their point for him. Can you tell us, I how are you going to get any help down there if there’s no problem?
Speaker 4:
Can you tell us how it got cleaned up specifically? What happened? I mean, because the streets,
Speaker 9:
No, I don’t know. Yeah, I don’t know the specifics of there, but I’ve seen it happen here more often than not. When there’s some big week coming into town, they start releasing people or busting them to different sectors for processing. So wherever those people were in El Paso, they just moved him to a neighboring sector or neighboring stations. So he wasn’t going. They’re controlling where he goes. We had a senator come down years and years ago that the border patrol was giving this guy a ride along and he was smart enough to say, okay, where are you taking me? We’re taking you to this part. Okay, once he gets there, he says, okay, now take me the other direction. And they go down the other direction and there’s just a mess over there. And then the spot they showed him, there was assets out there, there’s helicopters, boats ATVs on the other side where they didn’t want ’em to see. That’s where they moved everything in from. And so if the border patrol is taking you on one of these control tours, you just need to ask, okay, what’s over there? What’s beyond that hill? And you’ll see where the true stuff is, or you come in unannounced, but you announce it, they’re going to clean it up for you.
Speaker 4:
Let’s leaving some room in there, Karen. But I want to ask this before I forget. So the president talks about four specific countries, Venezuela, Cuba, Haiti and Nicaragua. We’re going to let 30,000 in if they do it the right way and they apply and they have a sponsor. And Mexico will take up to 30,000 people that don’t do it the right way. And we still have another 30,000 people just from these four countries alone every month in this week, since this plan has been floated out there, have you seen any lessening of the flow at the border, particularly from these countries or in general, all people? Are the numbers about the same? Are they less, they more,
Speaker 9:
Yeah. Our numbers have dropped a little bit in the last week or two. I don’t know if it has anything to do with Mexico cracking down because of the presidential visits or what they started to pick up again last night. I would imagine today, tomorrow they’ll be close to getting back to normal. But sending in, sending 30,000 people back when we’re seeing 300,000 a month, that that’s really not doing much for us. And if you look back two years ago, 20, 30,000 was what one month period would bring us across the southwestern border. So it’s, it’s not really enough right now. That’s
Speaker 4:
Deep. I was going somewhere with then I forgot what it was because I realized I’m getting older now and I think the brain’s starting to slip. I forget words in you. I don’t think your brain’s slipping.
Speaker 8:
It’s not age Charlie, it’s not age. But let me ask you this. If more reporters or journalists, if you will, were to do what you did, Charlie, and to go down and actually talk to the people, see what’s going on there in a realistic capacity and share that story, wouldn’t that be a blatant counter to the presentation that was done around and as a result of the presidential visit?
Speaker 4:
Well, the it’s reason to go there. The reason have Chris on the reason beyond Chris’s program to talk to the ambassador. I was thinking about that. I’m older now and like I said, I crossed with the Sinoa cartel many two decades ago. And I’m now at the point I look, I’m not of the high class. I didn’t go to Harvard, nobody, my family’s getting me a job at JP Morgan Chase. I don’t have any relations that are ambassadors, but I was taught to read and add and write in public schools. And I know what I know. I know what I see. And I’m not afraid. And that wasn’t rehearsed. This stuff’s in my brain and it’s the truth. And for anybody to think, oh yeah, you’re just afraid of the brown hoard and the replacement there. No, no, not at all. Man. I care about how these people are being treated. I care about what you’re doing with the here’s Chris. Chris is a bad motherfucker. Can you, I get this echo turned now. Thank you. He talk to Chris about the life. He lives about what? This 50 mile swath, you know, look at that border 25 miles. It, Chris, it’s like a wild no man’s land. I I don’t want to call you a cowboy and it’s just an unimaginable unbelievable life. You’re living it. This is, people can’t believe this. They watch TV shows. Can’t believe this.
Speaker 9:
Yeah, I tell people it’s like being a kid again. I just get better toys. I mean, I get to go out there and play every day, get to go four-wheeling, play in the dirt and chase people. It’s like hide and go seek. But there is an element of danger to it. We, we’ve had some deaths here in the not too distant past. And it, it’s just like any typical law enforcement job there. There’s always that element there. And people with guns coming across. And unfortunately a lot of people don’t want to believe that it’s happening. And you can have, unless you have both, I can’t say both sides of the aisle looking into it. I think what you need is we need to get back to unbiased news, whether it’s on the right side or on the left side, that shouldn’t apply to the news Democrat and Republicans shouldn’t have nothing to do with the news. These
Speaker 4:
Just fall off.
Speaker 9:
It needs to be, Hey, this is what happened today in world news. And now it’s like, well, this is why I think this happened today. It, it’s got nothing to do with what anybody thinks. Just tell us what happened and let us make our own decision. But if you have one side, one group of it trying to say that there’s nothing going on, then the people that are tuned into that believe that there’s nothing going on, what they see is reality to them. And until these people and some news organization, not all of them, but some new news organizations just get back to the basics and this is what happened, then maybe we’ll start to see a change. But I think that’s the biggest downfall right now because that’s our source of information.
Speaker 10:
Chris, I don’t know how you do it because it feels or it seems really exhausting with all the different facets you have to deal with. What exhausts you the most? Is it the actual people coming over? Is it dealing with the press? Is it getting resources for your union? What wears on you the most?
Speaker 9:
The thing that wears on me the most, I try to not let anything get to me, but the one thing that does get to me is these kids seeing what happens to these kids even if nothing happens to these kids, seeing these kids travel great distances by themselves. The other day I had an 11 and 12 year old girl that the 12 year old was having respiratory distress. So I’m also as a laboratory agent, I’m also a certified EM emt. So I got called over to help her out and I got her feeling good and gave her some oxygen and she was good and come talking to her and her sister. They had been walking for three and a half months alone with different smuggling groups. But how old
Speaker 4:
Alone? How
Speaker 9:
Were they? 11 and 12? Fuck. And the parents were already here. The parents were already in Baltimore.
Speaker 4:
Can I throw this in? I’ll tell you. I’ll why? Because what Mexico did just around election time and the law came into effect when Biden took office, which Mexico will no longer accept, deported children or families knowing this, children and families came. And that’s when it started
Speaker 9:
When Trump had the remain in Mexico. It was for everybody. And then Biden did away with it. And then he tried to put it back in place and they said, okay, well we’ll take families with kids over a certain age, but not under a certain age. So these 11 and 12 year old girls fell into the group that if they came with a parent, they would all get sent back. So the parent came by themselves and sent for the kids. And that’s what we’re seeing. We’re seeing groups of 11 year old girls, seven year old girls, eight year old kids coming in groups together without their parents who are already here. And any parent that puts their kid into that kind of journey alone doesn’t deserve to have that kid back. But yet we’re giving them that kid back. And that’s the one that gets me the most is these kids that have to go through this even outside of any type of issues that even if they got here and nothing was wrong with them, just the fact that a 10 year old has to take a journey like that without their parent. That’s what bothers me.
Speaker 4:
Now. If I might mean people know the background of Karen and myself and there’s a point to be made here, it all gets tied up in bullshit, talking points in Twitter and calling each other out and racist and just boiling on each other. No. You are a Mexican American. Is that correct, sir?
Speaker 9:
That is correct.
Speaker 4:
That means you’re a Latin man. Yes. So are you some racist or a self hater? I mean, you’re chasing people from Latin America. You understand what I’m saying? What I know about the border patrol is about probably 70% are of Latin heritage. Is that about right? Yeah. So
Speaker 9:
Yeah. Easy. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
So if you could, because everything’s getting wrapped. Everybody’s lying. I just, everybody’s lying and looking for easy shit. And it’s not about racism, it’s not about fear, it’s about order and where I’m coming from. I’m wondering where you’re coming from.
Speaker 9:
Yeah, I mean, I had one of my wife’s nieces a while back told me now, how could you do this to your own people? And I said, well, first off my own people. I mean, I was born here and I’m an American and there are a lot of brown folks coming, but for the grace of God, I was born on this side. And who knows, I’d probably, if I was born over there, I’d probably try and come across anyway because it’s my man. But at the same time, I tell people, the way you do this job the right way is you do it with compassion. You do it with humanity and compassion. You treat everybody the way you want to. If I do it as my grandmother was watching me I’m only going to act a certain way if my grandmother’s watching me. And so I try and conduct myself accordingly especially when I’m doing my job. And you know, treat everybody with dignity and respect until they give you a reason not to.
Speaker 4:
Well, I mean, some of my family grew pretty much chiseled on my grandma in the dying days. And when we left, I got my grandpa’s watch. That was it. So you understand there’s all kinds
Speaker 9:
Of Yeah. Oh yeah. People in there. Yeah. That’s a terrible thing. I I’ve seen that happen all too often. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
So yeah, that’s in the end there’s 340 million of us and we all got to make decisions together and it’s got to America’s becoming disordered. And I’m not like I got to wipe my ass 14 times on the right side, 13 times on the left side, rinse my hand 20 times, knock on the light and go out. I’m not like all hung up like that. But when you got a massive society like this, there got to be rules got to be
Speaker 9:
Over. Yes, there has to be. Yeah. I mean there has to be. It is just like at your house. How do people come in through the front door? Everybody brings up this Ellis Island. Bring me your tired, your weak, your huddled masses. Okay, I get that. But they all went to a certain spot before they came in. They just didn’t come in all willy-nilly wherever they wanted to. There. There’s rules. And if the first thing you do in our country is break the law, how can we expect you to do anything else the right way? If you want to come in here, great. We need good people. We need hardworking people. We do, the country needs it. And we see a lot of folks that are coming in that mean well, but not everybody me means, well, not everybody coming means,
Speaker 4:
Well did you say
Speaker 9:
Manuel? I mean, not just, well, that too, not everybody that comes in is, it means to do wipe right by our country. So we need to check who they are. And if you’re coming in, you plan to do the right thing. You’re hardworking, you got to plan, Hey, let’s go let, let’s do it. But if you just coming in here to create chaos and be a drain on things. Well, we got a lot of those already. Homegrown born here. We don’t need to import anymore.
Speaker 8:
Is it so difficult for this country to put a process in place so that there is an orderly manner by which they can come in and we can make sure that they are coming in under the right terms and conditions and under the right circumstances. Is that really too much to ask?
Speaker 4:
I vote for Karen.
Speaker 9:
I don’t think it should be. If this was a for-profit company, you figured they’d have something worked out by now. I mean, just look at drive-through the efficiency they got going on there. But if that was run by the government, I mean you’d never get through that damn line. And if the border patrol was for profit company would’ve been bankrupt years ago, just for some reason they figure not the border patrol, but the government in general that we, we’ll do it, but we need to create a study to do this and do that. This has been going on since 2013 and there’s no end in sight. This man, I don’t think there’s any desire for them to fix
Speaker 4:
This. You talking about profit and whatnot? I mean, this is the White House’s plan, not mine. Again, you can Google it. I actually talked to ’em. Y’all can Google it. Let’s introduce some labor because we have excess jobs. The fed’s trying to get rid of excess jobs. Our jobs are going down there. The price of Mexican labor is half the price of Chinese labor when you add it all up shipping and all of that. And yet the Mexican labor is twice as sophisticated as Chinese labor. So naturally, we had a billionaire shipping magnet on this show, and he goes, Mexico’s the place to be. These are the facts. So Karen, when we’re living in Detroit and every dollar’s precious and it’s slipping away and everybody’s renting and turning their socks inside out and the schools are fucking horrible and all these billionaires are manipulating everything. When that ambassador says to me, oh, it’s great because the consumer gets a car for a thousand dollars less, but the stockholders and the CEOs and all these people, their profit and their stock prices go up. How does that benefit society writ large? We’re in Detroit.
Speaker 8:
It doesn’t, Charlie. I mean it doesn’t, and you can look around and you can see how it doesn’t benefit us. And that’s the amazing thing that the disappointing thing is that people know that none of this is beneficial to us and that it’s exploitative of the residents here. But people don’t want to say that publicly. They don’t want to be ridiculed or criticized as being the naysayer. But at every time one of these announcements are made, my phone is blowing up. I mean people are, they know it’s bad. And it’s amazing that we just keep getting these announcements. More money behind, more money. And the quality of life for residents here continues to decline and everything is fine.
Speaker 4:
One of our very smart community members, there is a core of really smart, connected people that clue us into things. She sent me a quotation the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Who said, socialism is for the rich and rugged individualism is for the poor.
Speaker 8:
Yep. That’s about
Speaker 4:
It is corporate socialism. And they picking in the winners and the losers and we’re the losers Now, mark. Yes. A reporter did ask this genius <laugh> the White House press secretary. Yeah. Who doesn’t have a thought if it’s not written in a book? Karine Jean Pierre. Sorry. It’s just the most unimpressive. She’s not very good press secretary. And there’ve been a lot of unimpressive press secretaries reporter as to this.
Speaker 11:
Why didn’t President Biden want to see what’s really going on at the border?
Speaker 12:
He did see exactly what’s going on at the
Speaker 11:
Border. He didn’t talk to any migrants and he didn’t go anywhere that people actually crossed illegally. Why not? But
Speaker 12:
He went to the migrant center, which was a critical place to be. When you think about the partners who are our partners who are helping support the migrants on the ground there. There happened to be no migrants at the facility at the time that he visited, but let’s, because
Speaker 11:
El Paso has been crushed. The shelters are full, there are overflow migrants sleeping in the streets. And then it’s just a coincidence that suddenly the president shows up and Well,
Speaker 12:
Let me talk about what’s going on in El Paso, right? El Paso did go down significantly prior to the president’s visit by about 70%. And that’s a good thing, Peter. That’s a good thing that we, we’ve seen the numbers go down and that is something that we should be saying, okay, that’s good job there.
Speaker 4:
Every time she stutters, she’s lost her place where she’s reading you. You can see her flip through her notes to find out. And then she’s looking for the 70%. So Chris, why was the board, why was this overflow immigrant center had nobody in it?
Speaker 9:
They bust everybody out. They bust everybody out. So everything is, isn’t
Speaker 4:
That a good thing? Would they bust, do Honolulu?
Speaker 9:
I feel so bad that woman must have the highest stress levels of anybody on the face of this earth. They hit her with stuff and she’s not either. She doesn’t know, which I don’t think she doesn’t know. I guess she’s just not allowed to say it. And man, every time I see that poor woman, I feel bad for her because she’s just getting hammered day in and day out and she’s not allowed to say anything. She must just go home, just stressed out, be beyond belief. But yeah, they just,
Speaker 4:
I’m going to shout it from the top of the cinder block. Tell the truth, right? The truth will fix things. Soil and green is made out of people. <laugh>
Speaker 10:
Unlikely. Chris
Speaker 9:
What? Yeah. But yeah, they just bust everybody out. They move it around. So we see it all the time down.
Speaker 4:
We got the answer, bro. They bust them out. That’s the vice president of the board. Patrols union. He knows
Speaker 9:
Yes and though, and then once he leaves they’ll bust him right back in.
Speaker 10:
Well, that’s what I was wondering. What what’s El Paso like now? She claims there was a 70%, which just seems like a number.
Speaker 4:
He told you like the numbers went down. They’re seeing him again. Give it a week, it’ll be back. And by that, I remember when my old man brain fart. Do you think this we’re going to let 30,000 people in, right? Do you think down all through the peninsula, all through the continents that people are hearing, holy shit, biden’s letting people in. Do you think that’s what, what’s probably going to happen here?
Speaker 9:
Oh yeah. And whether or not they get the messaging the right way, they’re just going to hear that people are getting, there’re allowed to come in and it just sets off a flood of humanity. I mean you look at the numbers we’re getting now, the numbers we’re getting now are huge and it’s going to get even worse. And it’s not just a few countries full filled with brown folks. I mean they’re coming from all around the globe. We see
Speaker 4:
From Russia coming, I don’t want no draft dodger from Russia coming in here.
Speaker 9:
Yeah, we’re seeing Russians, we’re seeing Ukrainians, we’re seeing Romanians, Polish Chinese, India, all of the stands. Pakistan, Stan, anything with a stand on? It’s coming. Everybody’s coming. It’s not just a couple brown folks from down south. No, that’s just not the case.
Speaker 4:
So Mark, what did get accomplished
Speaker 10:
From that trip
Speaker 4:
During the summit with Biden and Trudeau and overdo?
Speaker 10:
The only accomplishment was basically finding missing documents. <laugh> in Biden’s part-time office.
Speaker 4:
The only news coming out you guys come up with at first I’d like to talk about the fucking top secret documents,
Speaker 10:
My closet. It was a complete and utter failure that, because honestly, you watched the news. The only stories was that dog and pony show, like Chris said, right? We all saw that. That was ridiculous. And now, oh, he pulled the Trump, he’s got missing documents in this office. At the Univers was the University of Delaware, Pennsylvania, where I can’t
Speaker 4:
Remember University of Pennsylvania. I came up with some bullshit chair center for you to sit in. And there’s a closet
Speaker 10:
Man now. And now his house. I mean it was, it’s a complete, and now his house embarrassment and what’s Frus? Yeah, yeah. Now I’ve
Speaker 4:
Been busy putting the show together. There’s like a is
Speaker 10:
In the house In his garage. In his
Speaker 4:
Garage?
Speaker 10:
Yeah,
Speaker 4:
In his garage.
Speaker 10:
And the frustrating thing is there’s been a complete and utter flip from all the political talking heads you have the Republicans, when Trump was subpoenaed for his document saying this is nothing, those documents aren’t that important. And the Democrats are saying, we must investigate. And what do you know now? It’s the exact opposite where you have the Republicans saying, we must investigate. We’re in charge of the house now. And yet the Democrats are like, eh, this he wasn’t subpoenaed. These are nothing but nobody knows what’s in it. It’s just an utter embarrassment.
Speaker 4:
It’s a nothing Look, it’s a nothing burger. It was like it was under Trump and he’s got the special counsel. This is a nothing burger
Speaker 10:
<affirmative>
Speaker 4:
Nixon erases 18 minutes to take <laugh> Clinton’s national security advisors going to the national archives and shoving documents in his socks and down his underpants and shit. Come
Speaker 10:
On. Would you like to hear from our favorite White House spokeswoman what she has to say about it?
Speaker 4:
[inaudible] that
Speaker 10:
That’s the one. Why
Speaker 13:
Didn’t hear someone in the White House inform the American people? When these documents were discovered on November 2nd, did it have anything to do? Because people are asking this part of it. Did it have anything to do with the fact that the election was just a few days away?
Speaker 12:
Again, ed, this is under review by the Department of Justice. It is literally under review right now as we are. I am talking to you. It is under review. So I’m not going to get beyond the process. I’m not going to get beyond what the President said.
Speaker 10:
That is a page right out of every president’s book, including Trump. Remember, my taxes are being audited. It’s just a delay, delay,
Speaker 4:
Delay. What’s in, when you say that’s a page out of something, she didn’t look at any pages on that one.
Speaker 10:
She was ready for that question.
Speaker 4:
I’m not answering that. I let the process today, but if I re Go ahead, Karen.
Speaker 8:
That’s okay. I was going to say piggybacking on Mark’s point, I mean how something is handled, something is responded to should not be subjective. I mean, it should be a 1, 2, 3 approach to, regardless of who’s in office, regardless of what it is, I mean, there should be a process by which these things are handled. And it’s not. I mean, it becomes subjective and it becomes just a political I don’t want to say the word, but boom.
Speaker 4:
Show
Speaker 10:
<laugh>. Well, the cover up in the spin is almost worse than the crime, right? It’s kind of insulting that it took,
Speaker 4:
Am I the only one who’s bored with this shit? What? Okay, bla.
Speaker 10:
No, I’ll give you that.
Speaker 4:
I got nuclear secrets. They’re not even nuclear secrets. Remember that? Trump got nuclear secrets. They’re not even nuclear secrets. Remember when George, but you’re too young.
Speaker 10:
<laugh>. Jesus
Speaker 4:
A baby. Jesus bringing his apostles. We got Simon Peter over there drinking White Claw. I don’t know what’s going on here. <laugh>
Speaker 10:
Turn
Speaker 4:
Whitelaw. But I remember when George Bush, remember George Bush the second George W Remember w w said got They got some nuclear, they got some nuclear armaments. And then I worked at the New York Times and Oh, he said nuclear. Yeah. Oh, he said nuclear. And it became some shit. And then he said, I’m the decider. George Bush says a moron. He’s not edgy. Decider’s a fucking word, by the way. And I remembered a wise ass that wrote it, and I’m like, I don’t give a fuck. We’re broke as a joke. Crimes through the roof. We’ll bring that to you. We got a new segment. And then the president can’t say anything about himself, but the president could say something about the other president. Here’s sleepy Joe.
Speaker 14:
You saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at Mar-a-Lago. What did you think to yourself looking at that image,
Speaker 15:
How that could possibly happen? How one anyone could be that irresponsible. And I thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? By that I mean names of people who helped or et cetera. And it just totally irresponsible.
Speaker 10:
<laugh> the irony.
Speaker 4:
Well get sleepy Joe in the big orange. I’m sorry, <laugh>. Isn’t there anything else?
Speaker 8:
Him too though, that has to apply to him. Yeah, the irresponsibility is not selective or subjective. That’s my point. I mean, if it’s,
Speaker 4:
That’s why we played Carrot.
Speaker 8:
I that’s, I know Charlie,
Speaker 10:
But Karen, it doesn’t work that way. When you have the esteemed news media backing him up and making excuses from him by the esteemed news media. I mean the view
Speaker 4:
This one <laugh>.
Speaker 16:
Well, we all know that Trump is a liar in a thief. We know that. So it’s not that big a jump to say that he obstructed and he lied. We don’t think that Biden is a liar and a thief. So we give him the benefit of the doubt. That’s partly what’s going on.
Speaker 10:
It really goes to Chris’s point though, doesn’t it? <laugh>
Speaker 4:
What’s
Speaker 10:
True? Too many talking heads.
Speaker 4:
Well, I kind of, oh, I get that point. I get get that put. Look here now. Sleepy Joe. They found it. You kept it quiet. There’s an election coming on just Sure. Course they did. Nursing home deaths. I haven’t forgotten that. We’re going
Speaker 1:
To be back with that one. Oh, get ready for that one.
Speaker 4:
But they realize Trump has some documents and he wants to dick around. Hey gi, give the nuclear secrets back. <laugh>, right? There weren’t even nuclear secrets, men, nothing. But why did he dick around or not give ’em back? Of course, because he probably wanted to create some press for himself. All right, sleepy Joe. They come, they get ’em. They go look in the garage, they get ’em, and he is not fighting it. That part they get
Speaker 10:
Well, but holding on to him before the election, I mean, that’s just a little Get that. It’s a little I know. I know. Why he get it. I get that part too. But no side is better than the other. It’s the same hip.
Speaker 4:
Okay. You’re
Speaker 10:
Right. It just is.
Speaker 4:
It’s But the guy made a bigger show out of it, did he not? I mean, Trump.
Speaker 10:
Yeah. Well, he had to be subpoenaed for it. I think he just didn’t want to give him back because he wanted him. I
Speaker 4:
Mean, Trump threw out the whole thing. Never mentioned that this was going on. You know what I’m saying? What do I fucking care again? What do we really do with Chris? You know what this is? It’s just distraction from the real man.
Speaker 17:
I
Speaker 9:
Agree. It’s just that it’s a whole bunch of nonsense. I agree. Yeah. I think Trump should have gave that damn those damn papers back. At least he knew where the hell they were though.
Speaker 18:
<laugh>. That’s a good point.
Speaker 10:
I agree.
Speaker 4:
Hey did you call my man,
Speaker 10:
I’ll call him now.
Speaker 4:
Like I asked ya, <laugh>, we got to, let me take a break here and tell you about Legacy partners. Everybody since they started really pushing their product and what they do, which is they shop for the best insurance for you. Yes. I was listening to the Drew a Mike podcast this morning. Oh, guy calling on the boner
Speaker 10:
Line. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4:
Yeah, yeah. Raving about it. There’s emails coming in. Small business. Bernie, you? Yeah,
Speaker 10:
Me. That caller didn’t believe us, so he challenged us and then called him and saved money. So
Speaker 4:
What’d he say? 1500
Speaker 10:
Bucks? 1500 is what he said? Yeah.
Speaker 4:
Just regular Schmo Joe. Yep. Right. Not even a small. Yep. Bernie saved tens of thousands
Speaker 10:
Of dollars. Yeah, I saved that like 2000 to 2,500. So I mean, I was very happy with it. This is in the service too.
Speaker 8:
Give this a shot. Cause you are starting to make me think I’m missing out on something.
Speaker 4:
Here
Speaker 10:
You are. We’ve been telling you this forever,
Speaker 4:
Karen. I swear to God, Karen, I mean, you do me a favor, you call him. I’m going to give the number 5 86 2 0 9 4 1 0 6 5 8 6 2 0 9 4 1 0 6. And I’m not going to just sit here and make up stories and pump this. This was awesome. And then I got a car and you can’t leave the lot without insurance. You know what I mean? Hey Eric, can you do it? Boom. Done. Yep. All there. Unbelievable. More coverage, less money. It’s legacy partners. They help you with Medicare. Call ’em. That’s all I can tell you. <laugh> got him? Yep. Okay, now Rick, you there, bro?
Speaker 19:
I’m here. I’m here.
Speaker 4:
They got me feeling funny. Fuck it. You know you’re my acquaint. Fuck these guys. This is what everybody knows is White boy Rick. Where’s she on the line? What’s up brother? What are you doing tonight?
Speaker 19:
Hanging out, man. We’re just hanging out a little bit. Just went to a special event at Louis Baton in Miami.
Speaker 18:
Wow.
Speaker 4:
And where were you last night, brother
Speaker 19:
Fishing in The Bahamas. It was amazing, man.
Speaker 4:
What were you fishing for?
Speaker 19:
Everything. Wahoo. We caught some wahoo in another location. We caught a big bull shark. We caught some barracuda. My buddy today caught a huge sailfish.
Speaker 10:
Why am I here? Why am I now?
Speaker 4:
Why didn’t I do three decades in
Speaker 10:
Prison? Yeah. I don’t know if I want that journey. I
Speaker 4:
Could be living
Speaker 19:
Large right now. No, you don’t. You don’t. Listen. You don’t want it. People always say, I have it so good, but they don’t want to go through what I went through. So I don’t know how good I have.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, that’s it. So I wanted you to call in and I want to stop it at that. That’s the thing that, that’s the root of what something you and I are going to do. We want to announce it together here. That Saturday March 18th special show called White Boy Rick, the Real Story, me and you together on a stage with video. The whole nine no Holds bar. It’ll be at Ondi Ammos Celebrity Showroom in Warren, Michigan. Tickets go between 25 and $59. And you can get ’em at ondi ammos showroom.com. So you are in.
Speaker 19:
I’m
Speaker 4:
In. I’m too, man.
Speaker 19:
I’m in. I’m looking forward to it. I appreciate you. I appreciate Joe Vicari for giving me the opportunity.
Speaker 4:
How did this even come about?
Speaker 19:
How and everybody else over
Speaker 4:
There who came up with his idea? Me and you, because I liked the idea.
Speaker 19:
A guy that works for Joe by the name of Eric actually came up with it and they talked a little bit and they thought, you know, would be a good match as a moderator. And me and you met and we hit it off. And I think it’ll be a special thing. I think it’ll be a great evening. And I think people will be very intrigued.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, I’ve been doing a lot of reading on you, man. So you and I are going to get together and talk about your life. So I know what I’m talking about. I mean, there’s a lot of stuff out there, some truth, some not true. Some Half-Truths
Speaker 19:
Mo Mostly. Mostly not true. Okay, let’s be real. Mostly not true. The movie was fake. Mostly not true. We won’t go into all that. We’ll make them. We’ll make ’em show up that night and we’ll give them the truth.
Speaker 4:
You mean the one with what’s his name, man, see there my old
Speaker 19:
Ass, Matthew McConaughey.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, I saw him one time at Lucy’s restaurant, Mexican restaurant across from Paramount movie studios in n la. And he was putting Rogan in his hair right? Right now, man, everybody having cocktails. He putting Rogan in his hair and then
Speaker 19:
That’s a very nice guy. He visited me while I was in prison. Very nice guy. I can’t say anything about him. The people that made the movie, I think they took away from a friend of mine and me, worked very hard on a script. Scott Silver, who’s now the biggest writer in Hollywood, and we work very hard together, we became super close. He’s like family to me now. He wrote the new Joker. He is presently filming the new Joker. He wrote Eight Mile. He wrote The Fighter. And I think that it could have been so much better if they would’ve just listened to us. But
Speaker 4:
Have you seen the movie? Well, I think I would want to listen to the guy whose life it’s about. I mean, that’s kind of like, yeah, number one thing in writing is you listen to the guy who you’re actually writing about. Right? Have you seen the movie? Yeah.
Speaker 19:
I’ve never watched a movie. I don’t have any plans to watch
Speaker 4:
It. Okay listen, spoil. Spoiler alert, you go to prison.
Speaker 20:
Yeah.
Speaker 19:
Yeah.
Speaker 4:
So anyway, man. So I’ll look for you soon. All right. I’m really looking forward to this. It’s going to be a great thing. It’s the real story with yeah,
Speaker 19:
It’ll be a great evening. Yeah, it’ll be a great evening. And like I said, Eric, Joe, thank you. I mean it. It’s be a good evening, man. And it’s a good opportunity and we’ll see where things go.
Speaker 4:
All right, brother. Back to Louis Vuitton schwag Fest.
Speaker 10:
<laugh>.
Speaker 4:
There you go. Be safe tonight. Thanks,
Speaker 19:
Rick. All right, thank you you guys. I appreciate you. Have a good
Speaker 4:
Evening. You too, man. Wow, Rick worship. So
Speaker 8:
Charlie, do Mark and I get to come, do we get to have dinner and sit there and watch? We got to buy tickets. I mean, how do we get left out of everything?
Speaker 4:
Yeah, you get to come 25 to $59 <laugh> ammo showroom.com.
Speaker 10:
March 18th.
Speaker 4:
Right. Got a nice place for you. Right next to the kitchen, Karen <laugh>.
Speaker 10:
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Never.
Speaker 4:
Okay. Oh, ooh, look. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yikes. Nothing much.
Speaker 10:
Too fast. Too far, Charlie.
Speaker 4:
Oh, you mean it’s too soon? That’s
Speaker 8:
Too far, mark. We’ll take care of it. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
We will all go to, well, you little people will be sitting down there and
Speaker 10:
I’ll be in the kitchen. I don’t care.
Speaker 4:
I’m really home. We can get to some real things. Yeah.
Speaker 10:
Yeah. Stuff he hasn’t been asked before. More stories. Yeah. I mean, he’s full of them.
Speaker 4:
J just some deep things. I mean by the book, watch the documentaries, deeper things. I’m not a real big historian on Rick. I mean, I know the story, right. He’s one of the top 50 crime stories in the United States in the last century. Right. There’s no doubt about that. Yep. But you know that. Yep. The human being. Yep. That if you want me in, that’s, and yeah, we did hit it off. I think I said it on previous program. What do I don’t know. Guy dropped out in eighth grade. He goes to prison at 17. He spends 33 years or what? He’s super fucking bright. He’s really smart, man. Yeah. I was impressed with him.
Speaker 10:
And he got royally screwed.
Speaker 4:
Well, we’ll see about that. I think he did. And not everybody believes that. I know. So that’s part of the evening. It’s going to be interesting that I promise you. And are
Speaker 8:
You guys recording this for any other use, Charlie? Or is this just a, I mean, certainly there’s value in the conversation. I’m sure.
Speaker 4:
I’m waiting for my lawyers to come back with the negotiations. I have not signed any contracts, but I would hope so. You’re welcome. I would hope. And finally, I want to let former President Trump and current President Biden know. Listen, if you’re having trouble with documents and you don’t know how to order them or keep them
Speaker 10:
Store,
Speaker 4:
You know, don’t know how to digitize them, right? Yeah. Call xg service group. I mean, they are the wiz in everything. Technology.
Speaker 10:
Very good at
Speaker 4:
Security. They’re good at security. They’re, they’re good at encrypted. Yep. Internet, right? Yep. Ethernet. They’re, they do
Speaker 10:
It all. Anything. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
Voiceover ip. You got restaurants. They can do the security. They can do
Speaker 10:
The cameras. All of the
Speaker 4:
Cameras. What’s that? The order board.
Speaker 8:
All of them all. Yeah. No. Existed.
Speaker 4:
<laugh>. I mean, they’re huge.
Speaker 10:
Yeah. The drive-through board that spies on Karen.
Speaker 4:
Yeah. Yeah. So Madam Jean Pier, you might refer the president to Matt Yako. It’s at xe Jervis service group. It’s 7 3 4 2 4 5 4100. Get yourself secure. Get it done. I agree. Thank you. All right. You still with us? Chris, you want to hang for our new segment?
Speaker 9:
Actually, I got to get going right now, man. I got to go pick up my boy.
Speaker 4:
Yeah, I think you well just tobacco too. So do what you got to
Speaker 9:
Do. No, I was right here. Look,
Speaker 10:
<laugh>.
Speaker 4:
All right. Thanks a lot, man. Thanks for the work you do, brother,
Speaker 9:
All. Thanks for having me guys. Good talking to
Speaker 10:
Y’all. Thanks Chris. Such a good dude.
Speaker 4:
Okay, Karen. So
Speaker 8:
Tickets for this is I Andy Ammos because people are asking on Facebook, what did you know, what is it Just ammos.com
Speaker 4:
Or Yeah, I’ll spell it. An dimo. A N D I A M O S showroom.com. A N D I A M O S S H O W R W O m.com. Gotcha. Get in and now going. You’re going to sell out.
Speaker 10:
It will sell out. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
Yep.
Speaker 6:
Cool. Okay.
Speaker 8:
Thank
Speaker 4:
You. All right, now we got a new segment. What’s it called? Mark?
Speaker 10:
What’s bullshit in the news? What’s bullshit in the news?
Speaker 6:
<laugh>,
Speaker 10:
The no BS news hour presents. What’s bullshit
Speaker 6:
In the news?
Speaker 10:
Karen, did you like that?
Speaker 8:
No, I did not.
Speaker 6:
Okay.
Speaker 10:
I had you in mind when I put it together.
Speaker 6:
I agree.
Speaker 10:
But there’s so much of it. Karen, what children?
Speaker 4:
I think I need a handy weight
Speaker 6:
<laugh>.
Speaker 10:
A sponge. Oh God, please. That that back there. Clorox wipe. Sorry, Karen.
Speaker 4:
Hold on a minute.
Speaker 10:
Okay.
Speaker 6:
All
Speaker 4:
Right. Here’s what’s bullshit in the news. Last week we told you Jamie Diamond of JP Morgan Chase decided to bring his corrupt company, who by the way, just had to announce today. Yes. Yeah. This multimillion dollar website they designed to help you kids with the college loans. It’s a fraud. And they set it down. All right. What a joke. What a joke. Bullshit. All right, so we showed you last week that Jamie Diamond, the banker to Bernie Madoff, the biggest Ponzi scheme guy in the world, comes in Detroit to make nice, goes on 60 Minutes and bullshits us. <affirmative> said, we’re going to redo a whole neighborhood. Let’s cut the Detroit Reds in the neighborhood. Are you there Red?
Speaker 21:
That’s a bunch of bullshit. I miss the neighborhood. If he redeveloped this neighborhood, then I’m fucking Milli Vanilli and I can really sing all ’em songs we put out.
Speaker 4:
Now, JP Morgan Chase said they were going to put millions into doing the north end. And Red happens to be at the most famous house in the North end. What is that broken down piece of shit behind you? Red?
Speaker 21:
That is the famous Gilcrest house. Which
Speaker 4:
Lieutenant Governor Garney Gilcrest House.
Speaker 21:
Yes it is. That’s been through more hands than a what would Hooker has been through. And it still looks like shit. So as you can see, it’s lovely. It’s surrounded by a partial gate that don’t even keep the fucking people out.
Speaker 4:
And by the way, it’s not legal. They were supposed to take this down years ago. So let me see. JP Morgan’s going to come in the Duggan’s talking about redeveloping a neighborhood. The now Lieutenant Governor buys a little piece in there and he is going to fix it up, but he doesn’t fix it up. And then he gets caught when he becomes governor, sells it to a speculator L L C that nobody ever heard of. He hasn’t fixed it up. And yet there’s some JP Morgan Chase money coming through there. I smell a rat.
Speaker 21:
You know what I smell? They call this, they should rename this. Not the north end, the left end. That’s what they should rename. This the left out end. Because ain’t no money over here. I don’t see shit. So I can’t even find a 10 cent bottle to return.
Speaker 4:
So you, you’ve been busting around the neighborhood for a couple of days. Have we seen, I mean, this is a site of a lot of contention in this city about developers connected people to the emergency manager to the mayor, Jamie Diamond. Do you see the Promise Development read?
Speaker 21:
No. I see a couple sprinkle pieces of square concrete box bullshit. And that’s about it. They don’t even fit over here. Look at that. Rest of this is empty lands and still abandoned houses. Just like this beautiful house behind it.
Speaker 4:
How does the Lieutenant Governor buy that house for $13,000 and sell it for $200,000? And it has no Walls
Speaker 10:
Connections.
Speaker 4:
Now, Karen Crack reporter, Karen, Karen, who basically used to rough ride the city bureaucracy into doing what was right, Karen, we asked you to find out where’s this magical pool of $200 million in JP Morgan Chase? Money gone because like to continue with what we started, what did we find, Karen? Where is this money?
Speaker 8:
Interestingly, Charlie, nobody seems to know. I mean, and that was both
Speaker 4:
<laugh>.
Speaker 8:
What? I mean, it’s crazy. Yeah. I mean, honestly, because I reached out to several people who won should have known initially in terms of the commitment and the allocation of that commitment, as well as monitoring where it would have been or where it should be. And nobody knows. Nobody either. They don’t know for real and don’t want to say, but I’ve, I had a couple, I did get a couple, have a couple conversations and they don’t know. They were like, wow, that’s a good question. Whatever happened to it?
Speaker 4:
So without revealing sources too closely, I’m going to say, you talk to Politicos, you talk to developer types, you the people that would know
Speaker 8:
Exactly.
Speaker 4:
And then yeah, we’re treated to the biggest fraudulent bank. And the history of the world gets 60 minutes to come in here. The mayor’s doing a blow job. Hey everybody. In 2019, look what we’ve been doing. And red’s out cut to red. Oh, <laugh>. Oh, this got less windows than the last time I saw it.
Speaker 21:
Look, I went one step further and asked somebody who was very close to the ground over here in the North end. He’s a vet named Willie who sleeps in one of the empty lots that’s supposed to be redeveloped. And he said he don’t know where the money went either.
Speaker 4:
And again, I love it. Like Willie knows no Hey, that Red’s Mark’s laughing. We got Willie, the homeless guy. Well, Willie’s like, there ain’t no fucking crying cranes
Speaker 10:
In here. He hasn’t seen anybody
Speaker 4:
Come by. Willie knows Aton. Yeah,
Speaker 10:
He’s the man on the street.
Speaker 4:
Laugh at the reporting, but look,
Speaker 10:
No, I was laughing at it. I wanted to see Willie.
Speaker 4:
Let’s do the totality here. We get a big blow job. Yeah. Karen can find it if it’s there, can’t find it. Red goes to the neighborhood. It’s not what was promised Willie, the homeless guy. They’re not a fucking crane coming in here. There’s a couple of cracker house boxes. Where’s this? 4.5 million for this block alone. It’s the li Lieutenant governor. You understand? You understand where you’re living people. I’m sorry.
Speaker 8:
I’m sorry. I’m sorry. The bigger is that after the announcement, does anybody pay attention to what happens thereafter? We cut the ribbon and then where is the oversight? Where’s the accountability? Somebody has to know. And these are people that should have known and who should know, and it was almost as if, oh wow, I forgot about that. You’re right. Let me see.
Speaker 4:
Let’s do the next one. Play it again. Once bullshit deployed there for me again, mark. I love that. What’s bullshit in the news?
Speaker 22:
The no BS news hour presents. What’s bullshit in the,
Speaker 4:
All right, here’s bullshit in the news. Chris Illitch, the deadbeat hockey and baseball owner, the one that soaked us for that hockey arena where he didn’t produce the jobs. He didn’t, doesn’t share revenue, and he didn’t build a motherfucking thing around it. Like he said. Remember? Yeah, he promised us a whole city within a city. All right, well, he didn’t do it. Well, now he’s going to do it. So he’s down with Steven Ross, the big developer that went to the University of Michigan. Right, and they’re going to finish it now. 1.5 billion expansion. Except we get to pay him 900 million to do it. I did the work. Here’s the
Speaker 10:
Deal. Yeah. What do you mean?
Speaker 4:
Explain that. Okay. 100 million came from the Covid money that Joe sent here that we fake printed 100 million. The state legislature just gave to them to build the Innovation Center, university of Michigan. Now there’s 800 million more, 616 million in a brown. Listen to this people Brownfield redevelopment
Speaker 23:
Cash. Just let your put together. That’s
Speaker 4:
A fucking check for 616 million cash. It’s the same thing that went on with the skyscraper. We gave ’em a billion dollars, no claw back, no guarantees.
Speaker 10:
Not a tax break.
Speaker 4:
Pocketed cash. Cash. The 113 million comes in tax breaks, no property tax. I can tell you, you can’t lose on, you
Speaker 10:
Give me cash to do something and you already give it to me. I don’t know if I’m going to fulfill every single part of the
Speaker 4:
Contract. And if we look at the skyscraper or the cue line, or the book, Cadillac or the book tower is never written in there. Now all the people in my neighborhood are like, I’ll take that any day of the week. What was sitting there before was nothing. So whatever I could do to make jobs, I’ll tell you what, dude, this ain’t going to make a nickel of revenue for the city. At least when it was a parking lot, it got taxed. We made more on a parking lot than on this Woo. New city. Within this city, <laugh>. Meanwhile, the city, where is it The city’s emptying out because nobody wants fucking office space anymore. I got an idea. Let’s build more office space. Better yet, you build more office space. So the people in my neighborhood, they’re the ones that build the office space, or they’re the lawyers that draw the contracts for the office space. You get what I’m saying? Yeah. Or they’re the judges that rely on this book in a place. They’re good people, man. And you know, live in evil. This doesn’t make any economic sense because when you don’t do property taxes, it comes out of the schools. Property taxes go to schools. And Karen, what did we learn about the schools in Michigan this week?
Speaker 8:
Well, Charlie, the state the 2023 State of Michigan education report reflected that Michigan failed to 43rd in fourth grade, reading down from 32nd in 2019. But let’s also note that Michigan ranks as the 11th worth state in fourth grade reading far below the national average. And we are also behind in other states in eighth grade reading math. So we’re failing
Speaker 10:
The whole state too. That’s not a Detroit thing. That’s the whole state, right? No, it’s
Speaker 8:
Not a Detroit. This is a state thing. But
Speaker 4:
Detroit hurts harder though. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
I can’t help but imagine that. But from an urban center in the largest city of the state that we’re taking the hardest hit, but what we’re doing is preparing or our children for failure. I mean, this is that systemic challenge that continues to place a segment of our population at a disadvantage.
Speaker 4:
Correct me if I’m wrong, Karen. We fell the hardest according to this report, right? We felt Michigan fell the hardest, and yes, the report from I casually read it shows that a lot of this collapse has to do with the lockdown policies in this state. That was one of the main reasons. Very heavy lockdown policy. We fell the hardest. It’s not forgotten. Those nursing home people are still dead. You didn’t count. This was Cataly. Sorry. It’s not bullshit. Give it to me, mark. We’ve been telling the truth. This is a sin. I don’t got no rich people. Even if I had rich people, I wouldn’t live like this. It’s unbelievable. Let me tell you something about the skyscraper that’s not getting built. We told you years ago, it’s not getting built. It’s, it’s going to be a liquor store with Chrome on it and a gas station where they check your oil in and wear a Bibe app and a hat. It’s like an American co island who pays its own way. There was a skyscraper, four Seasons in Nashville. I’m just going to give you the timeline thanks to one of our very dear and important listeners. And if you’ve got any art, any journalism, any music, and you want to be part of this program, we’re happy to have you go to the website, contact us. I’m not sure where you’ll figure it out. It’s
Speaker 10:
On there. Yeah, you’ll
Speaker 4:
Figure it. Mm-hmm. Four Seasons in Nashville. March, 2019, the developer purchased the land for 35 million. We gave that to Gilbert for a buck.
Speaker 10:
Wow.
Speaker 4:
April of 2019, they got 360 million in financing. Gilbert never got financing, but he did get the check out of our pockets that we don’t get
Speaker 10:
Back.
Speaker 4:
June, 2019, groundbreaking 40 floors, luxury hotel and residences. January 9th, 2020. Pre-sales of the residences are announced February, 2022, 300 million in pre-sales of residents. Nothing here. They’re not even a sign up there. Hey, ma’am, we’re building fucking condos. Not one. I got a friend, another listener. She went to the website and put her name in. I’m curious about a condo. Hammer her back.
Speaker 10:
What’s that? Tell ya, father.
Speaker 4:
No hurry. Let’s cut to red out there.
Speaker 10:
<laugh>.
Speaker 4:
All right, let’s cut away from red.
Speaker 10:
<laugh>. That was a great shot of red
Speaker 4:
Of one of his chins. Yeah.
Speaker 10:
Yeah. And then a look up his nose.
Speaker 4:
In November of 2022, the hotel and residences opened. They built it through Covid. So this co we’re delayed by Covid is bullshit.
Speaker 10:
Three and a half years during Covid. They could build it and open it and get people in
Speaker 4:
There. They built the Circa Casino in Vegas during Covid. Thi this is bullshit. We had the skyscraper specialists. I remember him. Yeah. Bullshit. Yeah. Come on. I don’t know what we got to do for you people. Okay. And
Speaker 10:
Finally, I tell you though, we knew that was bullshit, but that really puts it into perspective when you look at another, but
Speaker 8:
That’s become an excuse for everything that, and now that’s going to become Covid. Yeah e exactly. That’s going to become the reason why we have a whole generation of undereducated students. Oh, it was Can’t be the excuse and the reason for everything that did not happen over the past three years. It just can’t.
Speaker 4:
And let’s go to Steven Ross.
Let’s go to Steven Ross, who’s going to be with Illit building this new bullshit for Illit that we get to pay for. Stephen Ross got busted big time. He donated 3 million of property to the University of Michigan and then went on his taxes and claimed it was worth 33 million. <laugh>. Michigan never looked into it. Ross never looked into it, but the IRS looked into it, and that motherfucker got paid. According to ProPublica, they got all the rich people’s tax returns in the decade after the great Recession, the collapse, Stephen Ross, personal revenue, he claimed 1.5 billion on his taxes and claimed 2.5 billion in losses. Wow. How does one do that? I’ll tell you, it’s all legal. You build the skyscraper. Okay. The skyscraper could double in value. That doesn’t matter. According to tax law. Like Trump, you’re allowed to depreciate that building, even if it’s appreciating. It’s right. It’s called depreciation.
Yep. Yep. So let’s call it 10% a year in depreciation. It’s a billion dollars. You get to off the top claim a hundred million dollars in losses a year against your taxes. If you actually really, truly lost, you get to bank the loss. So next year, when you, I’ll move forward. Yeah. When you claim you’re a hundred million, the next year you can claim 200 million because you didn’t use it, and this is the hustle, so we’re going to pay 60% of this shit you already won. And then would a Mike Duggan say, oh, we got that clip. Mike Duggan. Mike Duggan. Oh, aren’t you asshole reporters? Oh,
Speaker 24:
We go to back and order. Do we go to the regional chamber mid-winter festival and we all stand around and I’m so important and it’s going to be great. Here’s what the mayor said.
Speaker 25:
You came down to Detroit 12, 13 years ago on a Saturday morning. There
Speaker 4:
Were nobody, right.
Speaker 25:
There
Speaker 24:
Were nobody last Saturday
Speaker 25:
Downtown, and now to see what we have nights and weekends. We had Dan Gilbert who did such an remarkable thing filling up those buildings and folks like the Roxbury Group who filled up a couple of buildings and some others who had Roxbury Group had done it, and now we’ve hit the point where there’s cranes
Speaker 4:
Looks amazing.
Speaker 25:
That’s it. You got, yeah. And Steven Ross, the biggest developer in the country. If you haven’t seen Hudson Yards, it is you can’t even imagine. Somebody thinks that big. He’s here in Detroit saying, I’m going to build 10 buildings with a billion and a half dollars in a million square feet. These are the kinds of conversations that have gone on in Chicago and la, but a long time since they’ve gone on in Detroit.
Speaker 24:
Wow. <laugh> Detroit.
Speaker 8:
Steven
Speaker 4:
Steven’s going to build all this and all the empty shit’s going to fill up after Steven builds it. You’re right. 1.5 billion. I just read you it in Nashville. No, Mike, it don’t go that way. They didn’t do it in New York. They don’t do it in la. It’s a goddamn giveaway, and we don’t got the money because the Mustang Mock is going to,
Speaker 8:
But that conference set up everything for the announcement that followed in terms of the split tax credits and the whole nine yards of rolling out the money to finance all these developments. They kept talking inclusion, and I understand it. It’s a cheerleading session. It’s a, to tell you about all the good things that are going on, but it was a,
Speaker 4:
It’s like black people in a very poor black town.
Speaker 8:
That’s true.
Speaker 4:
Buying people don’t trust your leaders. They’re in it for them, not you.
Speaker 8:
And that, I had that conversation with somebody today. They asked me, they said, do you think, and this <laugh>, they said, do you think Mike Duggan cares about the people in this city? Do you think he cares about black people? I said, honestly. I said, no, I do not, and I don’t. Could
Speaker 4:
I jump in there? I could give two fucks if he does or not. I count the money. The money. I understand. That affects people’s lives, your babies, and how they learn. You don’t, your leader don’t have to lie to you. He’s got to do right by you. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 8:
He’s got to care enough to do, right, Charlie, the thing it,
Speaker 4:
You’re
Speaker 8:
Kidding. Care. If you don’t care, then it’s easy for you to exploit. It’s easy for you to redirect or misdirect. So yeah, you do have to care, but if you don’t care,
Speaker 4:
Okay, fair.
Speaker 8:
Do that.
Speaker 4:
Fair. That’s fair. I mean, just there’s lots of cranes. There’s cranes everywhere. You get to depreciate it. We had James Holman from the Mackinac Center for Public Policy. Think tank, nonpartisan. Tell you, y’all remember, you see how we’re building all this? Nobody gives away cash like Michigan. And here’s a piece of breaking news. Don’t worry about the breaking news. I’ve got the invitation. I don’t have it confirmed because it’s no bullshit news. Governor Gretchen Whitmer is going to Davos. Oh, really? Little world leader.
Speaker 10:
Oh, that’s a nice little
Speaker 4:
Shitty Walter around this state. Yeah.
Speaker 10:
See how much money she brings back
Speaker 4:
Rich Chick? They’re all rich Ev. Every judge comes from the name of a family with a name,
Speaker 10:
And a lot of times it’s for
Speaker 4:
Duggan’s working for JP Morgan Chase now. Huh?
Speaker 10:
Davos is supposed to be for Find Investment. Right?
Speaker 4:
Duggan’s son is in Washington now with a security clearance.
Speaker 10:
I wonder the money she’s trying to raise, if it’s going to be for the state or if it’s going to be for some kind of campaign. I don’t
Speaker 4:
Know. Maybe she’s just there to make Switzerland’s nicest time of year, man. I’m just going. You’ve been to Switzerland?
Speaker 10:
I have. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:
I’m, yeah. In needle park. She’s
Speaker 8:
Also leading at the World Economic Forum while she’s there. Let’s not let that fall by the wayside.
Speaker 4:
That’s right. That’s what she’s doing. It Bark. Bark was at Zurich. Shoot the heroin at Needle Park.
Speaker 10:
Don’t tell anybody <laugh>. They have.
Speaker 4:
Well, he got accused of it mean, he said, I’m a narc.
Speaker 10:
Pretty close. That’s why I was narcoleptic <laugh>. Too much heroin. That’s all I heard. That’s what someone told me. Oh
Speaker 4:
We’re going to have Chris Cuomo on the show. He’s coming on the show. And so is Sam Quinones the best non-fiction book I’ve read in the history of my life called Dreamland, how opioids and heroin infected this country. So I’m really excited about that. It’s, it’s a top notch show. Well,
Speaker 10:
I told you before, no story pisses me off more than how Oxycontin took over and the opioid savior
Speaker 4:
Outrage for next week. I know. Let me out one more. Flint fire Chief Ray Barton friend of the show filed a whistleblower lawsuit after being fired for refusing to cover up the death of two boys in a house fire back in May in Flint. He says he claims he refused to lie for the mayor during an election year that two firefighters did not do their duty properly and search the home leading to the death of the boys. He’s asking for 10 million and I’m glad that we could be a part of that and made that a national issue. Let’s look hard into that because that’s the week in bullshit news. Fuck, I got a parking ticket.
Speaker 6:
That’s bullshit.
Speaker 4:
That’s the only fucking department that works in the city. Nothing else. I got this one. Detroit had 308 homicides last year. I got the number. I shook it out of the tree. There’s another 37 homicides. They’re not counting because they’re calling themself. Defense going to give you a frame of reference. Last year in America, total 310 homicides were reported across America in the name of self-defense, and yet somehow we’ve got 12% of all self-defense homicides. That must be a loose. We’re not telling you loose definition of self defense. I don’t got a lot of faith to please are going to show up kablam. Nevermind that. Be happy. See you Monday for the no bullshit lunch hour.
