Andrew Cuomo, the former governor of New York was hauled up to DC yesterday to explain his devastating co-mingling policy in the nursing homes … as if a plastic sheet was supposed to protect people.
Gretchen Whitmer, who’s still a governor, was mentioned…but only once.
Remember: Whitmer also decreed that infected elderly be let back into the nursing home in which they lived, exposing the vulnerable to infection and death.
That didn’t stop her from closing schools, prohibiting shopping for seeds and shuttering small businesses. All to protect the elderly.
Thousands are dead: probably 14,000.
That’s double what the state admits.
We may never know.
Remember, these numbers represent human beings.
What it all amounts to is this: Michigan officials overstated the threat of the coronavirus to the health of the general public, while it understated the devastation ripping through the state’s long term care facilities.
Even former Gov. Andrew Cuomo realized what was happening in New York’s congregate care centers.
He ended the practice of returning infected people back into the state’s LTC facilities in May 2020.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let’s go.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
No, I’m not. Just a fucking pen Feldman. Everybody. Everybody. Cuomo is up at the capitol yesterday talking about his devastating nursing home reaction, right? Why are we talking to Cuomo? He’s out. Caitlin bus from the Detroit News Deputy editorial page editor. It’s actually assistant editorial page editor, but they’re not giving her the respect over there. No one give her the respect. Deputy, she’s really good. Are we recording? I sure hope so.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Pull your mic too. I
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Sure. So you’re want to be fairly close?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Nope. Pull it to you. We’ll edit that. There you go.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you.
(00:44):
Why Cuomo? Andrew Cuomo, the former governor of New York is pulled up to Washington DC yesterday to talk about his devastating co-mingling in the nursing homes of the sick and the healthy as if a plastic sheet is supposed to save people. Viewers. In the Journal of the American Medical Association, it’s obvious it wasn’t the workers bringing in the sickness. They did the study. Nursing homes in places like Detroit and New York, all of that, those that commingled and those that didn’t, those that commingled the death rate was nearly twice as high. We know what it is. And yesterday they mentioned Gretchen Whitmer, who’s still a governor. They only mentioned their name twice. So let me remind you that when it’s all said and done, the government of Michigan’s most important job during the Covid Pandemic, and I won’t forget it, was to protect the institutionalized elderly and in firm.
(01:51):
And we know they failed. Remember the independent report by the office of the Auditor General of Michigan exposed thousands more people who died in nursing homes and other state monitored facilities that weren’t monitored were supposed to be under the Whitmer administration. Remember the bazaar rebuttal when Whitmer and her minions and those in the media attacked the auditor as a partisan? These were just numbers. Numbers aren’t political. The death numbers in this state we’re wrong then they’re wrong now. We won’t get any answers. And we deserve them because as they said in Washington yesterday, the next one’s coming and all we did was hide it. They knew they were wrong all along. They knew it. I had to sue. Remember still that didn’t stop Whitmer from decreeing that infected elderly be let back into the nursing homes in which they lived exposing the vulnerable to infection and death, and that didn’t stop her from closing schools prohibiting shopping for seeds and shuttering small businesses.
(02:59):
Why? To protect the elderly you threw grass on the prairie fire is what you did. Want to know how many deaths there were? Probably by my math, it’s real. Probably 14,000. There were 16,000 in New York, which is twice the size of Michigan. That’s double what the state admits. Now remember, these aren’t numbers. They’re human beings. What it all amounts to is this. Michigan officials overstated the threat of the coronavirus to the health of the general public. While it understated the devastation ripping through the state’s, long-term care facilities, even former governor Andrew Cuomo realized what was happening in New York. And after 40 days, he canceled the method and the co-mingling. They didn’t even ask him that yesterday. Why did you end it? They didn’t ask him that. He ended it in May, 2020. Not only did Whitmer ignore the warnings from her friend in New York, which she denies as a friend, and we’ll show you a little clip here at the end.
(04:04):
Two weeks later, she doubled down on the practice with her executive order 20 20 95. She cited science and data as her GuideStar data we now know she does not possess. And here’s the smoking gun. Health officials tried on three occasions in the summer of 2020 to chart the true death toll in Michigan’s nursing homes. The last came in August of 2020 when Cuomo’s false covid numbers started to come to light on August 11th, the Associated Press reported that Cuomo may have been hiding the true count and fobbing the nursing home deaths off to the hospitals. Three days later, a blizzard of emails were passed between Witmer’s health officials and state epidemiologist and her office asking if an update on the true nursing home death toll might be tabulated. And I quote, this is of great interest to the governor’s office. A health department official wrote to a state epidemiologist, may I get an ETA when this data could be refined?
(05:16):
Those findings were never reported to the public, nor was the public ever made aware that there were problems with the data in the first place. Data that was used to make societal altering decisions about personal conduct and movement. It took us years to wedge the truth from beneath the bureaucratic rock. And when we found it, the media ate it and abetted the escape of human services director Elizabeth Hertel from her culpability by confusing guidelines and hair splitting about who the department was supposed to track. More astounding hertel claimed the numbers reported to the public were accurate because those were the numbers the nursing homes gave her no double check, no verification, and the media went along with it. The problem is, according to the Auditor General’s report, the state never bothered to audit their own truthfulness. They didn’t want the truth before her. Tell the chief boob of the health bureaucracy was Robert Gordon who was fired last when was it 2021? Yeah, 2021. He got fired. The political term is she asked for his resignation and Whitmer then quietly paid him 155 grand to keep his mouth shut. The political term is offered a severance package with a nondisclosure clause, whatever you call it. It was paid with our money, our blood, and our elders. What’s Gordon doing for work right now? Might you wonder
Speaker 1 (06:54):
What?
Speaker 2 (06:55):
What’s he doing? Wait for it. Incredibly. He is the assistant Secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services. How fucked is this? Neglect, involuntary manslaughter, manslaughter, murder. I don’t know. I leave it to you, but I’m not giving it up. And then after we show you this little bit, we’re going to talk about the debate last night. We’re going to talk about Benson and the Supreme Court and the election. We’re going to talk about Dana Nessel and we’re going to talk about you. Feldman. Feldman out of DC I need to talk to the UAW because a factory is closing in my hometown and the UAW that I used to belong to the UAW sending me to a guy named Feldman in Washington DC What? Play the tape. You and Whitmer also put out a joint press release when Trump was coming after you saying the federal response needs to be investigated. Remember this?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Okay, let me play you a clip here. This is well after the fact. You are gone. Everybody else gets to move on. This is a local news program, Fox two with Governor Whitmer. You said you always were in touch with these governors. You would chat with them and ask them questions. Did you happen to talk to other governors about the nursing home situation? And did you talk to Cuomo about it at any point?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
I never talked. I mean, I didn’t have a relationship with him. True or false?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Well, a relationship is a question or perspective. If she says We didn’t have a relationship, we didn’t have a relationship,
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Did you ever talk,
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Well, I’m sure you have a press release that we both did. I’m sure that that didn’t happen anonymously.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Did you ever talk about nursing homes?
Speaker 4 (08:53):
I don’t recall specifically what we talked about. Well, that topic of that press release was the nursing homes
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Roll credits
Speaker 4 (09:04):
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Speaker 1 (09:06):
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Speaker 2 (09:17):
And
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Jar Dub breaking this donor bullshit. Donor bullshit.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
I protests only room for one. I protest personality.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Let just put these smoking gun documents back in the holster. Caitlyn bus, the I was joking at the beginning is the assistant editorial page editor, which there is no deputy editorial page editor.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
Right?
Speaker 2 (09:43):
So you’re pretty much the deputy.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Well, sure.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Would you like that title? Sure. We can get her that for Christmas.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
Do you need any more money?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
The paper doesn’t have,
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What do we subscribe?
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Our opinion page. Go to debt news opinion.com and then hit subscribe and we’ll get the credit.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Okay? No, go to your column today in the Detroit News, which is a really good one, and then hit subscribe off of that page so you get the credit for it.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
That works too.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
That’s how these hedge funds work. Now, bean counters, there’s no art left.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
No, it’s not.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
There’s no
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Art. It’s all about profit, Charlie.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, it always should be about profit, but profit is generated by a sharp pen and tight thoughts, and we’re losing that. What’s becoming apparent? Not your home, not your home base in general. Writ large, the media’s becoming cheap.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
It’s frustrating to watch some of the media coverage.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
In fact, we might, look, I watched my thing yesterday was Cuomo’s testimony and he just dumped it on Trump and Trump people. Trump’s got a lot of problems. The response was sclerotic at best. Okay, fine. But everybody else was watching the debate, which is the subject of your column. And you two were, what did you two make of it? Just go ahead.
Speaker 5 (11:10):
Well, I thought it was frustrating. I thought it was a frustrating debate to watch. I don’t think it moved the needle in any particular direction. If it did, it may have helped Harris a tiny bit. But I think people are set in their ways about these, particularly about Trump. They know what they need to know about Trump. And Trump was no different than Trump kind of normally is. I thought he was a little more reserved. He didn’t call her. I don’t know if he called her any names or not in the way that he usually does. So on that metric, he did a good job, but she performed well too. I think we didn’t get to know her necessarily any better. I mean the content of what she said, even though it sounded good and it flowed well, I don’t know that there was much there, particularly on the first question. I mean, are voters better off? If you don’t know that question’s coming and you don’t have a better answer, whatever it is, that’s annoying
Speaker 2 (12:04):
To me. I don’t have cable, so I was live streaming in, it was buffering wrong. I didn’t see the open. What did she say about Are we better
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Off food? Well, the first question was to her whether or not Americans were better off today than they were before she and Biden took office. And she did not answer the question, but that was one of three questions that she did not answer throughout. So in terms of message management and from a performance standpoint, she did a good job. Trump,
Speaker 2 (12:35):
You mean she didn’t fuck up?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well, but see, this is the thing though. Everybody listens differently. So I mean that’s why people like preachers and politicians can get over because it’s your ability to orate and how do you look stand? What are you wearing? All those things sometimes take precedence over the content. And so people say, oh, they did a great job. But what was said, I read an article this morning and they were talking about undecideds and they said they thought that she did a good job, but they’re waiting for the fine print for Trump. You know what you’re getting with Trump. And so I don’t think that anybody expected too much. I know the Republicans were encouraging him to stay on fact and leave the emotion out of it, but he was frustrated and it started to show,
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Fuck the Republicans. Look at these losers. They’re losers. They are. You got decimated. Your party got stolen, and now you want to tell the guy that figured it out how he’s supposed to act. And the more he listens to you, the less he’s himself and the less effective it becomes.
Speaker 5 (13:37):
Well, right? I mean it’s worked for Trump so far, right? I mean he’s more popular according to polling right now than he was in the past. And so there’s this huge dichotomy between don’t beat Trump, except Trump knows that what he’s doing works
Speaker 3 (13:49):
Works or not.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
And honestly, he’s had Democrats on their heels, I want to say since he came on the scene. I mean, so much of the past two elections has been a response to Trump. And so it’s hard to say it’s not working. The Republican party wasn’t unified before Trump. He saw that opportunity and he met that moment, but it’s been working for him. And what’s to say? I mean, I wouldn’t do another debate if I was him. I would just let people live in their own misery and come to the voting booth on election day.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Exactly. I would agree with that because look, what I saw last night was him getting fact checked and okay, cool. Fact check him because dude, there is not a law anywhere in the country where you can put a one month old down and you should check Twitter when you’re looking at cats being eaten in Ohio. The police video from that was something like Dayton, not Springfield, and it was an American woman, not a Haitian woman. Right? But the problems are big. But what I saw last night was no fact checking on the Democrats. I came into office inflation was 9%. No, it wasn’t.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
But that’s the skewing that happens. And people don’t understand that just like their podiums were different sizes, they mandated or requested that Harris’s podium be shorter because she didn’t want to appear so small. She’s five four, he’s 6 2, 6 3. So those kinds of things in terms of shaping, managing the optics and the perception have an impact on the viewers. And people don’t realize that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I didn’t even notice that. So how did it turn out?
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So they noted, basically this was day of news that she had a smaller podium. I read a piece about it and then before the debate started, they kind of mentioned she chose the podium on the right so that you could see they were a little bit different. But what they do, they split hairs on this stuff and it is important to be accurate. And Republicans have shot themselves in the foot just as much as Democrats by not being accurate about certain things. And then it negates their whole message on this cat thing. Yes, that seems to be an American woman in Dayton, Ohio. At the same time we have other video evidence that’s talking about a real public health concern, a real safety concern. People eating animals from public grounds. Both things can be true. There can be this American woman who ate a cat and then also non-native people who are doing this at the same time. But it’s important to be accurate. And Trump shot himself in the foot by maybe Misstepping and not knowing the background of that particular video because now it negates the whole argument and you can’t get grounding on what is actually going on. What is actually the
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Problem. Here’s the double standard. Yeah, he lost traction. We’re talking about misinformation and banning people. I’m looking at newspapers. I’m looking at what Harris is saying. I’m looking at the campaign commercials and literature. It’s misinformation. Trump didn’t say there’s good people on both sides. I like Nazi youth. He didn’t say it. He didn’t say there’s going to be a bloodbath if I don’t get late. It’s going to be a bloodbath if we let China build electric cars in Mexico. That’s what he was talking about. She doesn’t get FactCheck. Nobody. So I asked my daughter, she’s going to be 18 on election day. She’s voting. I said, you need to watch it. Just you need,
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I’m sorry for her.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
No, no. This kid’s hip can Can I read to you her expert analysis? This is really interesting. She watched the first debate with Trumps and Biden. So first of all, she said, Trump looks like a corpse. Remember how orange he looked against Biden?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
There
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Go. From the TikTok generation from, yeah,
Speaker 2 (17:39):
You’re like, that’s it. I actually got a text.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
But that’s enough. And the thing about it is, is that we have to listen to that younger demographic. I mean they’re being kind of pushed aside, but their perception is probably more accurate and poignant than anything that we come up with.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
And that generation man, they’re bleary eyed, they’re anxious and
Speaker 3 (18:01):
They’re also tired.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
They’re tired. Yes
Speaker 3 (18:04):
They are. They’re tired. They’re
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Physically tired.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
It’s the shuffling. It’s the conversation. It’s the promises that are never met. It’s the recycling of talking points and where are we?
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And they’re beginning their adult life and the money’s fucked up and they can’t afford anything and they
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Know that’s why they’re tired. Welcome to adulthood.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (18:27):
It’s all exhausting. They’re just so bright eyed and pushy. Tails.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
See, listen, my daughter, we’re empty nesters. My daughter has moved to the basement among the plumbing pipes,
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Lower level
Speaker 2 (18:38):
And the spiderwebs,
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Lower level, Charlie,
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Okay, we’re empty. She’s one branch over, but we’re still empty nesters and that’s just my main concern. Nobody’s again Trump. Why don’t I rip on Trump more because we spent the last eight years doing it. Okay, it’s your turn now you guys are in charge. I’m listening to 50 grand for small business. You know what I’m going to do? You know what I’m doing? Kamala Harris promised me new house and money for my business. So what I’m going to do is I’m going back to Pie Negra on the other side of Eagle Pass and I’m entering illegally and I’m going to register for my $150,000 house in California that Gavin Newsom will sign after the election.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Will you promise not to eat my pets?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I won’t eat your pets. All right. Thank you. Unless you have chickens. I used to have chickens. I didn’t eat them though.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
What did you do with them?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
I gave ’em away after I moved away.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
I used to have chickens too.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
What were their names?
Speaker 5 (19:52):
Pante and Marsala. But we were very, in our defense, in our defense, we were very young.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Ours were tick and to tick, tick, TikTok, tick.
Speaker 5 (20:03):
But no, I mean it wasn’t the idea to keep anxiety off of not the reality of life, but to keep needless anxiety from kids. I mean, I grew up not terribly long ago, that kind of was the mentality. Let’s keep things and now it’s like, let’s just plunge ’em right in. Oh, you’re 13, let’s register you to vote. Now I want to be accurate. That is not happening. But 16 and 17 year olds, we’re going to get ’em registered to vote. I mean, we don’t even necessarily want them driving and we’re trying to get them involved in this process, and I don’t see it as a way to unleash the beautiful things about democracy. To them, it seems like a way to pummel in this is yet another thing that you need to be anxious about and the future of the country’s riding on your back.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
It’s almost choosing another identity, right? Which group do you want to belong to,
Speaker 5 (20:53):
Right? Yeah, very young.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
I belong to a
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Mall.
Speaker 5 (20:58):
Going
Speaker 2 (20:58):
To vote very many times
Speaker 5 (20:59):
As you’re allowed.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Which part? We’re going to get to that. Oh man, what a mess. Look here. Now again, can somebody be blue collar and old school around here? Can you just do your job? Jocelyn Benson and Dana Nestle and Gretchen Whi. Kamala Harrison. I did that when Trump, Trump was in charge and when Snyder was in charge, we’re just losing ground. And now I got a call, Feldman in New York. Oh, it’s nine 11. Anyway, explain all of that when we come back after this very important message from our sponsor, and by the way, what the hell is going on with this insurance for small? Do you know their jack and everybody’s insurance up like almost a hundred percent.
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I’ve heard that
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Yummy. Okay. You know it’s not yummy. Jocelyn Benson. How’s that a segue?
Speaker 3 (27:47):
That was an awkward segue, but go right ahead.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
It’ll work. We’ll fix it in post. Alright, listen. Okay, editorial page editor. What happened this week with Jolyn Benson and RFK? Go ahead, set it up.
Speaker 5 (28:03):
Well, okay. Benson concisely please. Okay. Alright. Well, she maybe just put the election in jeopardy. I don’t know. I don’t see what has happened. So RFK said he’s not a candidate. He’s endorsed Trump. He wants to be off the ballot. There was plenty of time before the deadline to make this happen. The election is two months away. But she ruled that he or pushed to have him stay on the ballot finding that there was no requirement for her to meet his request. Essentially, I think the Supreme Court, and I’m not a justice there, but I think the dissent from the Supreme Court ruling was very apt in pointing out this could jeopardize the entire election. This is not based in any standard reading of our law, and it contributes to just way more mistrust in our election process. He also, I mean it is compelled speech to some extent. The man doesn’t want to do the job and why should he have to be on a ballot At the same time, Benson has tried to keep Cornell West off the ballot. So it is pretty obvious at this point. They want who they want on and they want who they want off. And that sounds
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Manipulative
Speaker 5 (29:14):
Where things stand, that
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Wasn’t, it does. I mean this manipulation. Exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
I agree. Look, this is why I say the Michigan Supreme Court did not rule that RFK junior’s name must remain on the ballot as a matter of law. What they ruled is there’s no law preventing Jocelyn Benson from keeping his name on even though he wants name off. Okay? So she’s playing politics. Dr. Cornell West, a black man wants to be honest and independent and earned his writing. She tried to take him off because it will help Harris Kennedy, a white man wants to be off, but she won’t because it hurts Trump. It only hurts us. It only hurts us. Look
Speaker 5 (30:05):
And having the court system now complicit in these manipulation, I mean you now have two branches of power, not only taking each other’s independence but working together. It would appear to some extent. And what that does to the psyche of, we don’t understand how much we rely on this separation of powers and this understanding that there is accountability and rule of law. And so to see a top elected official behaving this way and not know what the recourse is to hold her accountable for what could be a huge problem in this election, which people already know there’s going to be problems. It’s very irresponsible,
Speaker 3 (30:42):
But there’s been no accountability and people, they continue to get away with it. So it’s like, okay, well I wasn’t accountable for that. Nobody questioned this so I could just keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Okay, so here’s how Benson screwed the push Look, I’m sorry madam, your garbage. You know what I mean? I voted once for all these people, never again. Because here’s what you did. You tried to tell election workers, don’t worry about the signatures, right? Take it at face value, just push ’em on through. It’s illegal. You’re not allowed to do that. That’s not a Secretary of State. You also tried to take in late ballots. Ballots received after election day, not legal. You can’t do that. You also came up with unilateral rules for poll challengers. I’m the poll worker who was processing those absentee ballots. And there’s people that stand over you like this and make notes like little eager beavers. You can’t just unilaterally make behavioral rules for them. You lost that one in court. You also remember in 2020, not only can you not bring a firearm in the polling place, you can’t be within 200 feet with your firearm. You can’t do that. And the court struck that one down. And we have new rules about challenging the help me
Speaker 5 (32:07):
Out the watchers.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
No, the certifiers. The certifiers, right? The power is no longer in the canvassers, the board of
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Canvassers, right? So before the election, now they’ve had to say they’re going to certify these results no matter what.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah, but that law doesn’t take effect until next year. But they decided unilaterally it takes effect. Right? Now you can’t do that, but you can because what you brought up was rule of law. And you know what? Here’s the law, right? It’s rectangle, it’s written here and all this gray area. Who’s the teller? No.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
Yeah. This election stuff is really tricky and it’s really dicey because there’s two set of rules. Did you break the current, what is today? The law for elections? Okay, maybe not in the current understanding of whatever we’ve done, but before Covid, we had a different election system in this country and really in Michigan for sure. I mean, we have expanded our election. It is a different event now, and I think a lot of people know that, but maybe not everybody realizes to how much we’ve changed this from a one day event. Maybe you get a week before, maybe we make some exceptions to make this accessible to this is now an era of time in which you’re deciding in which signatures can be manipulated in which confusion can happen. The integrity of the
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Process.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
That’s what
Speaker 5 (33:35):
It’s a one day, one vote
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Again. So all these things, we brought up the confusion, like the checks and balances, but there are no checks and balances if it’s a uniparty type of thing. So like Dana Ness not looking at any of this, no, Dana Nessel won’t look into the nursing homes to bring it fully back around, right? Leticia James in New York, the one that took Trump Tower, tried to take Trump Tower, alright? She’s the one that investigated what happened in the nursing homes. She’s the one that took Cuomo out at the knees at behest of Cuomo himself, who was trying to fob the nursing home fiasco off on the nursing homes because I wrote down, you can’t do this unless you’re able to do this. They weren’t able to do it. So she looks into it and boom goes, Cuomo. And we now know the numbers were way out of line.
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I remember Nestle telling the population of Michigan that what happened here is not like what happened in New York because she had actually talked to Letitia James and Letitia explained to her that a whistleblower in New York had exposed the fact that the numbers were a lie. Well, I know Letitia James’s people and I know Dana Nessel straight up lied to you because she never talked to her and it wasn’t a whistleblower. Letitia James put up a website to field complaints, which you won’t do, and you won’t look into, look, here’s what I know I I’m on record and you can save your death threats. There were no fake 150,000 ballots came in in TCF, didn’t happen. But I do know this, that 62% of adults, all adults, legal, illegal, whatever, just adults, 62% of adults in the United States are registered to vote 62% in Michigan, it’s 106%. So right there, you got a problem? There’s a lawsuit going on, we can’t clean up the roles. You got a problem. Like you said, we changed everything and now we’re seeing what it is.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
And I think the Internet’s contributed to this. I mean, it kind of blows people’s mind that we don’t have a national system for voting. That there is actual local control that states have control over how these things go. It’s all part of our rampant information. So of course it’s going to change, but a little humility on the part of these elected officials. They don’t have to know everything, but if they’re going to say things like, you have to compulsory follow our covid guidelines, then you should have some fact and science to back it up. And that’s what we’re learning now. Oh, we didn’t keep track of the numbers.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Well,
Speaker 5 (36:16):
You were telling us we were going to go to jail if we didn’t follow what you said.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:21):
We were so dumb and it turns out we were right
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Or we were all wrong together. I mean, let’s get to some level. I’m just
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Like
Speaker 2 (36:28):
They’re dying in the nursing homes over
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Here. But I mean the whole cross-contamination thing is just a very basic common sense kind of thing. I mean, we think about cross-contamination. If you’re cooking a chicken and you don’t wash your hands and you touch something else. So if someone is sick and someone is not sick and you co-mingle them, the person that’s not sick is likely to get sick, not the well person make the sick person. Well that’s just common sense.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It’s all fakery. And where’s
Speaker 5 (37:00):
The book? Stop Doesn’t Omo puts out a piece of paper with his name on it and sits there and says, I have no idea. That shouldn’t matter. Your name is on it.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I have no, I mean, do you buy that A middle level bureaucrat wrote the co-mingling the nursing home rule. And what?
Speaker 5 (37:18):
But here’s the thing, we don’t buy it. But in congress, in a congressional hearing, they can’t get anywhere because you can’t even establish that. You said what you did in fact say, which is written here or what it was. You can’t even get to that basic level.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, I mean, Whitmer sits there on TV and lies to the host. I don’t even know Cuomo.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
So that’s what’s frustrating to me is just the obfuscation of questions, the blame shifting. It’s the healthcare workers that did it. It wasn’t our policies. That kind of stuff is really pissing people
Speaker 2 (37:51):
Off. You know? What else? Media? Media, man, you the media man. Is
Speaker 5 (37:55):
That me?
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Let’s talk about media here, right? She was always paid to spin us. Here’s what I sick of hearing. Ask the tough question. No, no, no, no, no. You’re supposed to know the answer to that tough question. Ask the follow-up question when you get ’em bullshitting you. But nobody even knows the answer to the question anymore. They don’t want to know the answer and it just kills me. I’ll just say this before we go with our remembrance of nine 11 Feldman Feldman in Washington DC Where’s he at? Mark, where’s Feldman based? The Feldman Strategies group. It’s in the house building. Is that what it was?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I already
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Forgot.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
We looked it up earlier
Speaker 2 (38:38):
In Washington. DC’s Feldman’s strategy. I want to talk to the UAWI want to talk to Sean Payne. See, I used to be in the UAW in the eighties. You couldn’t push a broom in a factory without belonging to the UAW. You had to do it, even the 18, you had to do it. You had to pay dues. Trevor, I don’t know where he is based man, like Rome or Paris or maybe Amsterdam. Wherever Stellantis is based, they got like 18 headquarters. It’s this conglomerate. You’re laying off 2,500 of my neighbors over here at the Warren truck plant, right? And it’s bullshit. And I want to answer since it’s Chrysler that’s making money for that whole group, how we’re out on our ass after we gave you a half a billion for the Jefferson and Mack plant that you have in staff, like price shit. So I’m like, I’m going to talk to Sean because Sean ripped Trevor. He goes, this piece of shit gives himself a 56% raise and we’re out on our ass. I’m agree with you Sean, but I got all these pin heads. I can’t reach the UAW. You’re giving me a progressive. What is this?
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What kind of business is this? Consultants, spokespeople, strategists, Feldman. His pronouns are he and him, which I think is very sexist. No one’s asking.
Speaker 1 (40:09):
Just so you know. They’re a progressive strategic communications firm that specializes in developing and telling stories of our clients with both traditional media and digital space, which is why they’re located in the national press building.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Wow. And they represent progressive clients. It’s the UAW motherfucker is eight mile motherfucker. This is hardcore. You couldn’t find the Warren truck plan if I gave you 300 bucks to get an Uber to come see it. Sean, why do I got to go through these pen heads? What’s happening? What is happening? No, no. This is war. Hey Feldman, did you guys look me up? Yeah, I heard the questions you asked. I’m going to look into you. Feldman Sean, call me and Caitlyn buss the assistant, soon to be deputy editorial page editor for the Detroit News. Sharp pen. Great brain, sharp pen. That
Speaker 5 (41:11):
Means a lot from you.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
Thank you for that. You know how to write. I mean, you know how to think, but you know how to write. It translates. These are crisp. I really recommend it. I recommend She’s almost as good as Karen.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
That’s right. Don’t even try it. And what I also like, I like to see you doing more broadcast interviews because I remember your first one and you were kind of nervous and you have just blossomed. I mean, I appreciate your opinion, your perspective and how you present your opinion and facts. So seriously,
Speaker 5 (41:41):
I had great people to look up to here,
Speaker 3 (41:43):
Kate. I like her as a person. So that makes a big difference for me. So I like you as a person. I like you too. And as a professional. It’s a
Speaker 5 (41:52):
Great group of people down here making news happen. Let it down. We like you too, Charlie. We have lunch. We’re ladies who lunch? We too.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well hey listen, we like having you around here too. There’s a broom right over there. What?
Speaker 5 (42:09):
We
Speaker 3 (42:09):
Don’t
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Sweep Charlie. Oh, am I getting flamed for that one? Yeah,
Speaker 5 (42:12):
You might. I have swept in jobs in the past.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Yeah, and I did too. And paid dues to the UAW.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
I didn’t have to do that, but
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Wow man. Okay, so anyway,
Speaker 3 (42:27):
Nine 11,
Speaker 2 (42:28):
It’s nine 11.
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Everybody I know that’s gone. I’m thinking of you. I’ll just say Eddie Keating, my dog Eddie. There’s an old saying, a man dies twice. Once when his heart stops and the other time is when they say his name for the last time. So as long as I’m alive, brother, you are alive. Never forget. See you next week. Nine 11. Yeah, I remember I was, but definitely I was never forget it ever. The day started out, it was election day in New York. They had come up with this new funding, four public dollars for every dollar that you raised. So it was going to be a zoo. And I remember being at the New York Times looking at that coverage out of Florida thinking you did every story except the working man story. And what would that story be? It’d be the voting booth mechanic, the guy that’s got sharpen the pins that pokes the ballot.
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That doesn’t create a hanging Chad. So I figure, why don’t I do that guy in New York? There’s going to be an absolute zoo. So I arrange it. I’m going to meet board of elections voting booth mechanic, lower Brooklyn. And I get to the parking lot in front of his school. And you look up across the East River, little before nine, September 11th, 2001 and the North tower’s burning. And we look at each other and he says, must have been a little airplane. A Cessna. Hit it. I go, yeah, that one’s happened in the Empire State Building long ago. And as we’re watching it, because we’re not in any hurry at this point, the South Tower gets hit. I he the principal, his bosses, everybody knew that wasn’t no Cessna. You knew what that was. We were attacked. So we go into the school and the principal locks it down. Our cell phones aren’t working. The number you hit completely dead. The number you hit, the don’t work the number you hit. I get in the car for some reason he’s in tow. And we stop at a deli, Korean deli. And the guy’s been watching TV and he says, bad day for America. I said, yeah, you from Korea? He said, yes sir. I said, you are our friends. Bad day for all of us.
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I got on the transport with the National Guard and they took me into Manhattan. I got off the bus. There was dust everywhere. Seemed like there were 10,000 shoes just going north. People had just run out of their shoes and fright. It was just covered in this funeral dust. It was so quiet. And I spent that whole night carrying buckets around trying to help find people because again, there were no national guard, there was no recovery, there was no unions. It was just substantial people running there. And the iron workers, they brought their tanks, they brought their torches, they brought their goggles and they went into Brooks Brothers and they took the camel hare coats and the fedoras, and they were wearing them to keep warm. They were dressed like businessmen and trying to cut through this iron. And it went like that the whole night. Sad. You knew nobody coming out. And in the morning I had to get to the times on 43rd Street where the ball drops for New Year’s Eve, give them my notes. There’s no way to get ahold of them.
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And by the morning, these very substantial people took it upon themselves. Anybody with a badge was holding perimeter, FBI, firemen, cops, sheriff, you name it, you had a badge. You put it on a chain. And they’re directing people and people listen. What happens in real times, real people do things. And real people know who leaders are. I went to Danny, he’s the head of security at the New York Times. And I said, Danny, let me get your badge. I need it for down there. And he gave it to him and weeks later went to give it back to him. And he said, no, you that man. Well, he kept it Danny 2 0 2.
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So I put that on the chain and I went back and forth and it was this weirdness. Anyway, you go in there, it’s burning and nobody’s in charge. I didn’t see a doorknob. I didn’t see a urinal. I didn’t see a desk, I didn’t see a human except those trying to dig around flames, trying to find them. Everything was pulverized. We were breathing in porcelain and metal and humans and thousands of pieces of paper were floating everywhere like seagulls, like doves just drifting. It was gone. Women crying, coming up to me, looking for their niece, said We had gotten in a fight last night and now the phone doesn’t work. And she’s crying. And I hugged her and when I looked up, there was like five TV cameras on us. It felt like rape. It was so invasive. It was like, what is this a fucking TV show?
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This isn’t a TV show. And those substantial men with the badges started getting it ordered where anybody that came down to volunteer, you were in a pen and they were dividing you up for where you should go and getting gloves at this time and a mask and the pales. And I remember you wrote your name and your blood type on this arm, LeDuff ab positive. And you wrote your phone number on this arm in case you fell through and you died. And they were all lined up on West side highway ambulances, fire trucks, construction workers, look nurses. And then I knew it was our country. It was the biggest crime scene that I ever witnessed. And I wanted the fucker that did it.
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I covered that hole the whole year for the New York Times. I felt that was my contribution to society, that our grandchildren might want to know who we are. And at that moment, people wanted to know what was happening. We were looking for those firefighters, weren’t we? And the police, I just came of age then I knew what human beings are capable of. Then I profoundly understood what hate was and despair. I hope I will go in and out of that hole. I was at 40 fireman’s funerals. If it was one, I chronicled the firehouse. I remember people were lashing out like Sikhs, Sikhs aren’t Muslims. Sikhs are their own religious sect from India. And it was a kid.
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He got in some fight. I went to interview him. I had to. And he had taken off his turban and cut his hair, which is really religiously important to the Sikhs. And he did it because he didn’t want to be seen as a Muslim. So he changed himself. And he said to me, bro, nobody hates Muslims more than us. And I said, that ain’t going to get us where we need to go. I said, the murder’s only just begun. We got to stop. It’s important. It’s the beginning of the way of life. Your own government spies on you. Id every place I can’t get to Canada. They accomplished what they wanted to accomplish by applying those jets into those towers. Big brothers all over you. Now the world’s at war with itself. That was the beginning. Don’t forget, never forget, never forget the very substantial people that ran in there. Something that tall, it’s on fire only to have a collapse on ’em.
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There was a fireman from squad one in Brooklyn. He slept with a radio. He got up in Staten Island, took the Ano bridge, took the bit Brooklyn battery tunnel and ran up into that building in time to meet his death. He deserves to be remembered. Life goes on. How were people feeling together? At least New York was. And I’m told America was. And everybody’s flying the flags. Remember, everybody’s a brother. Remember there’re no black, there’re no white, there’re no brown, there’re no rich, there’re no poor. Because look, we don’t have to be the strongest, but you know we’re tough, right? Don’t tread on me kind of thing. And everybody’s flying the flags. And then it was getting near the winter and it’s a Brooklyn queen expressway. It’s elevated, it’s up on stilts. And I’m heading down downtown Brooklyn for whatever reason in my car from Queens. And it’s a traffic jam. And there’s a flag laying in the middle of rush hour. And I put it in park and I got out and that flag was laying in the middle of the expressway. I got out and I got it. That’s this flag right here. Same flag.
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It is been in my car every day since every day. A little worse for the wear. But I looked it up last night, that 1, 1, 2, 3, 1, 2. That one right there is Michigan. It’s my home in the USA. Right there in that one 26th, right smack in the middle. And that’s who went over. That’s who we said. All the dudes from the middle who does all the work. If we forget our kids are going to do it. Just like we forgot. We forgot all about World War ii. We forgot about Vietnam. We forgot. Every time you launch a boat, something’s launched back at you. If you’re going to send people, have a plan, have a reason. Because it’s my people that go, if I could tell people and they would actually listen, you have to stick to your convictions. But the strong can move if they’re shown that it’s not correct, that hate begets hate. The world’s getting smaller. We’re going to have to share that. Remember, we have more in common than we feel that we’re getting stirred up for somebody else’s gain. Some political gain. They used mass murder to convince us to go do the same Now everybody’s hurt, everybody’s broke, and we’re no better off than we were.
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Try to love one another. And if you can’t do that, come do a compromise. Don’t let ’em lead you around. Everybody’s just as important as everybody else. That’s why I’ll never forget them. Not the firefighters, not the executive assistants, not the bond brokers, not Umberto, the nameless everybody. Do we ever improve? Is anything ever learned from it? Doesn’t every generation say never again? Isn’t that why we should remember? So maybe. Really there is a never again. That was a massacre, that was a homicide scene. And we returned the favor. I dunno. I did my best. I tried to write down who we were. I hope tomorrow that you’ll look for it or your children will look for it, or your grandchildren. I left the record. That’s the greatest contribution I made. I don’t think it was enough.
