No BS Newshour Episode #386
Deported from Detroit
(10:10) The bust of Christopher Columbus was Shanghaied from Detroit during the Summer of Floyd.
Duggan said we’d talk about it. We never did.
The skipper was never heard from again. Until now.
Our exclusive interview with the 115-year-old Columbus statue.
(0:04) AND- An update on the Gordie Howe Bridge.
Trust me, if Mr. Hockey knew about the filth flowing beneath the span, Gordie would probably ask them to take his name off the bridge and rename it Rocket Richard Boulevard.
PLUS- Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson (33:15) & independent reporter Dave Bondy (17:50) with an update on the Grand Blanc church massacre.
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TRANSCRIPT:
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Right now,
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I’m standing in Lake Huron and Lake Michigan at the
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same time.
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Well, right now,
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I’m standing in the Detroit River,
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which is also a sewer.
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And I’m underneath the Mackinac Bridge.
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And I’m right between the Ambassador Bridge and the
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brand new Gordie Howe Bridge.
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Let’s go swimming!
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Let’s go swimming.
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Did you know in Alexander Henry Park in Mackinaw City,
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you can go swimming underneath the Mackinaw Bridge?
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It’s really rocky,
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so make sure you pack some swim shoes.
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Did you know between Cannon and Detroit,
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you can go swimming in toilet water bound for Toledo?
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It’s really filthy,
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so whatever you do,
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don’t swallow.
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And you’ll have to go when the water’s not too cold,
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which usually means July and August.
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And you’ll have to go when it’s not raining because
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that’s when it fills up with motor oil and dog poop.
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And the coolest part
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about this is that you can go swimming in two Great
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Lakes at the same time.
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Right now I’m in Lake Huron,
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and now I’m in Lake Michigan.
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And the weird thing is,
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the bridge is over budget and behind schedule.
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And we don’t even need one.
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Why do you have one,
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see?
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The water is beautiful,
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the views are amazing,
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and this is pretty much the most Michigan experience
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that you can have.
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The water’s really nasty,
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the bridge is a boondoggle,
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America gets all the smog,
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And none of the money.
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It’s the most Michigan thing you can do.
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For Michigan Enjoyer,
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under the Mackinac Bridge,
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I’m Lottie Morehouse.
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For the Michigan Enjoyer,
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and on my way to Detroit,
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receiving for a penicillin shot,
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I’m Charlie LeDuff.
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Yeah, I know,
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I know.
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The receipts,
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videos are fun,
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but the receipts,
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okay, here’s the receipts.
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Someone
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suddenly flipped the lights on at the still unfinished
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Gordie Howe International Bridge the other week,
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and the town went berserk.
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And why not?
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We’ve been kept in the dark about almost everything
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else on the multi-billion dollar boondoggle.
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Now, hear me.
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Hear me, Windsor.
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My cousins,
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my brothers and sisters,
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my family helped found Canada.
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in the 1600s,
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and my family was here before the European side of
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my family came here to settle.
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The bridge is a joint venture between the state of
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Michigan and the Canadian government.
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Canada fronted all the money to build it and will collect
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all the tolls until it recoups its investment.
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Only then will Michigan share in the proceeds.
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When the deal was first announced back in 2012,
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the estimated cost was $2 billion.
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Then it was $4 billion.
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Then it was $4.8 billion.
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Then it was $5.7 billion.
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It was supposed to be completed last year at a cost
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of $6.4 billion.
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It’s still not done.
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And the smart money puts the final costs north of $7
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billion.
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This does not include the unspecified millions,
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10s of millions actually,
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that the United States will shell out for customs
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and border inspections each year.
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Now, traffic across the Ambassador Bridge and the Detroit-Windsor
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Tunnel has fallen,
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fallen by nearly 60%
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since the turn of the century as auto manufacturing
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has shifted to the southern United States and Mexico.
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At that rate,
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according to an independent study from a Canadian
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professor,
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the Gordie Howe Bridge will never pay for itself.
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Never.
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This means Canada’s grandchildren will get all the
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debt and Michigan’s grandchildren will get all the
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smog.
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Oh Canada,
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you guys know how bad your debt is,
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how big your deficits are.
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It’s on par with the United States.
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You know there’s trouble and now we got a boondoggle.
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To date,
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No one has clearly explained how the bidding process
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worked.
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How could a consortium of companies win the design,
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construction,
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and maintenance contracts when it includes A Spanish
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firm that has paid more than $100 million in fines
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for fraud and bid rigging over the last couple years?
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Canada, you’re our neighbor.
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Spain ain’t.
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Doesn’t that present a security risk?
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And where did the steal from the bridge come from?
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Was it made in the US?
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Canada?
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China?
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A mix of Canada and China?
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Again, we haven’t been told.
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They haven’t given me an answer.
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They haven’t given the receipts.
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Isn’t this what the tariff war is all about?
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Now dig this.
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How did Justin Trudeau’s infrastructure minister get
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his job overseeing construction of the 1.5 mile,
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six-lane span across the Detroit River?
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The man, a former bus driver,
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has no college degree,
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no construction experience,
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and spent nearly two years in an Indian prison for
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suspected ties to terrorism.
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Why wasn’t the Maroon family,
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who owns the Ambassador Bridge,
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allowed to finish a new span with $1 billion in private
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money as they had offered?
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Taxpayers wouldn’t have paid a nickel.
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Americans would have had jobs.
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It’s so all absolutely Michigan and Canada.
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When will governments learn to get out of the way?
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Whitmer tried throwing billions at multinational corporations
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and all we got were parking lots.
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The bright side here?
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At least we get some tasteful LED lighting twinkling
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on the Detroit River.
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Live from downtown Detroit,
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it’s the New Bullshit News Hour with my main man,
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Charlie LaDa!
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And Karen Dumas.
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What’s just at breaking news?
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Double bullshit!
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Double bullshit!
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I’m Grace Karos,
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and I’m third generation of American Coney Island.
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People say Detroit’s a comeback city.
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I say, Where you been?
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We’ve been here for over 100 years.
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My family’s been here on the same corner,
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serving our famous proprietary American Coney Island
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hot dog.
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So like always,
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we’re keeping things fresh,
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updated, and new.
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We’d love to have you come downtown and visit us,
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but if you can’t,
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you can always go to americanconeyisland.com,
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order a Coney kit,
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get it delivered fresh right to your door.
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I wish I was a Coney Island wiener That’s what I would
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truly love to be
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Cause if I was a Coney Island wiener,
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then the boss might take a bite out of me.
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Do do do.
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Now chips came Eric Estrada and Larry.
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The California Highway Patrol.
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What was what?
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Yeah, what was what was Estrada’s name?
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Punch.
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Punch and John.
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Punch and John.
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So it was John Baker.
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John Baker came.
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He just hates the artifice of Hollywood.
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He came for a convention and he sits to the side while
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the camera focuses in on Eric Estrada and he gets
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a question or two,
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a little biscuit,
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right?
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And then he just goes back to the hotel and hates life.
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But he came to a
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American Coney,
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and he just really loved the food.
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He really loved the reality of it.
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He loved the fact that the boss here,
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Grace Carroll,
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would be like,
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press conference,
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those fuckers have rats next door.
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We don’t have rats.
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I’m sick of it.
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Remember that?
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Yes.
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She made the front page of the paper and the photograph
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was this.
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That’s a good picture.
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They’re tweeting her with rats on her neck and stuff.
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They’re not,
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no, it’s.
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Everything American Coney Island is made only for American
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Coney Island.
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The proprietary dog,
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the chili,
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which is a over 100 year old recipe made by American
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Coney Island Detroit Chili Company.
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That’s it.
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Everything next door you can buy at a gas station.
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So he loved it,
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loved the food,
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loved the reality of it.
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And he wrote a song.
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Yeah.
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You inspired him too.
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Yeah, I think maybe Larry and I are going to do some
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work, man.
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Let’s hope so.
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Do a ride along.
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Really intellectual guy.
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Yeah.
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I mean, super intellectual.
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Was a sergeant in Vietnam during the Tet Offensive.
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Holy shit,
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wow.
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TV star, writer,
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producer.
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It’s like the guy’s amazing.
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And he’s the taller one.
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Okay, now,
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later in the program,
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I want you to hang an update on the horror.
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of the mass shooting and fire in Grand Blanc.
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We’ll have Dave Bondi,
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just a terrific independent reporter now,
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you know,
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long time in the Flint area,
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amongst the first on the scene,
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really delivering.
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And also Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson will
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join us.
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But first,
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who are we going to put in here?
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Luke?
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We can do that.
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Okay, look,
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because you know,
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we got a…
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Luke Nowacki,
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financial wealth specialist,
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248-663-4748.
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248-663-4748.
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Bond rates are changing.
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I don’t know what gold’s doing today,
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like tariff settlements.
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Roll it, please.
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Luke Nowacki.
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Is this the hole-in-one?
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It’s a hole-in-one,
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$50,000 if you hit it.
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Luke Nowacki,
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Financial Wealth Management.
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What is 50 grand after tax?
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37,750.
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What about state tax?
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Yeah, that’s,
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I’m throwing both in there.
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What about sales tax?
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There’s no sales tax.
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Well, you’re buying the beer.
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It’s income.
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You’ll buy the beer.
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Yeah, we write that off.
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Luke Nowacki,
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Financial Wealth Management.
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There’s a white man named Chris.
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who was silently deported from the Detroit and never
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to be heard from again,
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until now.
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Chris spent his life as a merchant marine,
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okay?
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And like many urban dwellers,
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hey, he worked on the docks,
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you know what I mean?
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Like many urban dwellers of Italian descent before
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him, Chris washed up on the shores of the western
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suburbs following a spasm of racial animus and antagonism
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five years ago during the summer of Floyd.
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The bust of Christopher Columbus,
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115, was dethroned by Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan,
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who, fearing the flames,
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had it quietly removed from its longtime perch at
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the corner of Jefferson Avenue and Randolph Street.
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It was sealed in a wooden crate and squired to a shabby
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warehouse on the city’s east side.
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Now, Duggan promised a discussion about an appropriate
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future for the bronze bust.
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Instead,
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The pedestal’s gotten bulldozed.
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Columbus was unearthed by a group of Italian-Americans
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three years ago and currently resides on loan in the
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basement of a banquet hall at a conference center
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near I-275 and Five Mile Road.
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We’ve had no intellectual reckoning about the appropriateness
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of our public symbols since then,
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as Duggan promised.
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Only tear gas and nihilism.
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There’s been no discourse about the deeds of Columbus
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himself.
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The city council unilaterally changed the name from
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Columbus Day to Indigenous Peoples Day,
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as I told you,
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promising a memorial to Native Americans.
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But that too has not been discussed.
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It’s not been built.
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Chief Pontiac is the only Native American who occupies
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a place of prominence in Detroit.
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His likeness can be found just over there,
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downtown here,
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on the pediment of the Book Cadillac Hotel.
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It’s important to tell you that Pontiac was clubbed
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to death in 1769.
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Now, there’s no need to worship these symbols,
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just as there is no need to destroy them.
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America is the greatest experiment in human history.
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It is a nation that has not reached its full greatness,
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but marches towards it with a speed no culture has
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ever known before.
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To bury the past,
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is to destroy the future.
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Why not layer new symbols upon the old?
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Columbus here,
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Pontiac there,
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MLK there,
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and whatever the future may hold.
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After all,
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a tree without roots is simply wood.
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It’s worth remembering that one of the most consequential
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periods of indigenous history in North America is
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the Colombian era of conquest.
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This ought to be taught in our schools,
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and yet,
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Our public schools collapse and our kids can’t even
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read a history book if they wanted to.
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So who’s taken to the streets to protest this?
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And what of the other contradictory symbols that remain
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throughout the metro region?
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General Anthony Wayne,
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General Lewis Cass,
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and Chief Justice Augustus Woodward were all slaveholders.
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and their names and memorials and statues remain.
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Edward McNamara,
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the former Wayne County executive,
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whose name is affixed to a terminal at Metro Airport,
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is said to have been facing corruption indictments
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until he died.
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Henry Ford was a virulent anti-Semite.
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I could go on.
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Now, Ken and I were going to make this little piece
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we’re going to show you after this,
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and we went to where the
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pedestal used to be.
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I was going to get up on the pedestal,
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but the pedestal’s gone.
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But you know who was there was Albert Richardson.
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He’s known around here as Slim.
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You know, he got cleaned up.
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It’s cool.
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He’s living in the bushes,
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living on top of the parking garage,
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living underneath Hart Plaza.
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Got it together,
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got a settlement.
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He actually had a $6,000 check and wanted me to cash
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it.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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But he’s a great guy.
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You’ve known him a while.
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Now, Slim told me he used to love to play chess under
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the Columbus statue.
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He said, I mean,
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you got to teach history,
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not hide it.
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That’s what Slim said.
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He pointed across Jefferson Avenue,
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Jefferson,
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where an imposing figure of George Washington stands.
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And Slim said to me,
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what are we going to do?
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Tear that motherfucker down,
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too?
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Coffee’s good at the Coney Island,
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too.
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Fresh pots.
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No joke, my favorite coffee.
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Is it really?
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Yeah, I usually get 7-Eleven,
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but this is way better.
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That’s an 11.
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I know.
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That’s close.
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That’s where you can get a Lafayette dog.
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I know.
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Anyway, we found him.
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We found Columbus.
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And we interviewed Columbus.
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Roll it.
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Remember five years ago during the summer of Floyd
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in Detroit,
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Mayor Mike Duggan got afraid of the protesters,
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so he decided to take down the statue of Christopher
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Columbus without telling anyone?
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And you might remember that Mayor Mike Duggan said
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this.
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We should have a conversation as a community as to
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what is the appropriate place for such a statue.
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Well, we never had that discussion.
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Columbus and his pedestal just disappeared,
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but we found him
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He’s living in the basement of a banquet hall in Livonia,
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near the highway.
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Chris, is that you?
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Well, who else would it be?
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Pizarro?
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That guy was a real douchebag.
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He’d steal the gold from his mother’s own mouth.
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By the way,
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you’ve got a very nice mustache.
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It reminds me of my grandmama.
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Well, how you doing in there?
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It’s a little bit cold.
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And they overcooked their mastaccioli.
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But what are you going to do?
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It beats the Manoogian Mansion.
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How’d you end up in a banquet hall in Livonia?
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I had to get out of the city quick.
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Too many hipster rioters there during Floyd.
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And it turns out,
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the hipsters live out here,
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in their mother’s basements.
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Well, how do you feel about being kidnapped and shipped
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to the burbs without anybody knowing?
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It’s outrageous.
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They call me a racist,
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but Duggan is the one from Livonia who bled Detroit
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dry, and now he wants to go to Lansing and bleed Livonia
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dry.
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He’s worse than Pizarro.
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But it’s really not so bad.
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They’ve got a lot of good Indian food around here now.
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Okay, thank you for your time,
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Signore.
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Wait, don’t leave me here.
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I miss the pigeons and the smell of souvlaki from Greek
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town.
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Appa!
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Okay, word from XG Services.
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And after that,
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a report from Dave Bondi,
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independent reporter,
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and Sheriff Chris Swanson from Genesee County,
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updating us on the tragedy at the Mormon Church in
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Grand Blanc.
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when it rains,
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the power goes out.
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And when the power goes out,
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the internet goes out.
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When the internet goes out,
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I call my friend Matt and Bernie at XG Service Group.
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Look at Bernie here on his hands and knees,
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giving it everything he’s got.
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Look at that man crack.
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So busy.
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He forgot to wear a belt.
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There’s Matt right there getting the board together.
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That’s 734-245-4100.
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If you need Matt and Bernie to come take care of your
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they’ll design it for you.
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You got restaurants,
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they do drive-thru systems,
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railroad cameras for public safety.
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Call XG Services at 734-245-4100.
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I want to bring in and introduce friend,
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independent journalist,
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Dave Bondi.
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What’s going on,
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Dave?
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Hello, sir.
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It’s an honor to be here.
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Thanks for being on.
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Now, listen,
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this happened Sunday,
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so let’s keep this tight.
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What happened and what’s new in this?
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massacre, this tragedy,
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this senseless,
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I don’t even know what you call it anymore.
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Yeah, I was getting calls minutes after it happened
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because I used to be a news anchor and journalist
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in the Flint market and I was just getting calls left
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and right from law enforcement.
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And basically it all comes down to Thomas Jacob Sanford,
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40 years old,
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had his truck,
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pickup truck,
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drove into the church and got out,
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opened fire.
526
00:18:31,587 –> 00:18:32,867
hitting several people,
527
00:18:32,867 –> 00:18:34,547
then set fire to the church.
528
00:18:34,867 –> 00:18:36,387
Law enforcement arrived,
529
00:18:36,387 –> 00:18:39,027
a DNR officer and a local police officer.
530
00:18:39,267 –> 00:18:40,227
They took him out.
531
00:18:40,787 –> 00:18:42,067
He died at the scene.
532
00:18:42,467 –> 00:18:44,547
There were several people who were injured as well,
533
00:18:44,547 –> 00:18:45,667
four people dead.
534
00:18:47,467 –> 00:18:48,867
And that’s it at the scene.
535
00:18:48,867 –> 00:18:49,707
That’s what happened.
536
00:18:49,707 –> 00:18:51,747
And we’re worried that there would be other bodies
537
00:18:51,747 –> 00:18:54,867
in the church because the fire just spread very quickly.
538
00:18:54,867 –> 00:18:55,707
And actually,
539
00:18:55,707 –> 00:18:56,227
last night,
540
00:18:56,467 –> 00:18:58,027
we’ve confirmed that there were four,
541
00:18:58,027 –> 00:18:58,307
I believe,
542
00:18:58,307 –> 00:19:00,547
four or five IEDs,
543
00:19:00,707 –> 00:19:01,667
very rudimentary,
544
00:19:01,667 –> 00:19:04,467
though, IEDs that he had in his vehicle.
545
00:19:05,187 –> 00:19:05,747
You’re kidding me?
546
00:19:05,747 –> 00:19:06,307
Well, this guy,
547
00:19:06,467 –> 00:19:07,587
fuck his name because,
548
00:19:07,987 –> 00:19:08,627
you know,
549
00:19:08,627 –> 00:19:09,067
I don’t care.
550
00:19:09,067 –> 00:19:10,067
I’m never going to remember.
551
00:19:10,067 –> 00:19:10,867
We never do.
552
00:19:10,867 –> 00:19:12,907
I appreciate what you’re doing.
553
00:19:14,067 –> 00:19:15,347
But he was an ex-marine.
554
00:19:15,347 –> 00:19:16,227
So that’s what you’re wondering,
555
00:19:16,227 –> 00:19:17,427
like IEDs?
556
00:19:18,147 –> 00:19:19,787
Yeah, Iraqi war veteran.
557
00:19:19,787 –> 00:19:22,027
You could see that on his license plate because I posted
558
00:19:22,027 –> 00:19:25,427
a picture that I got from someone at the scene of
559
00:19:25,427 –> 00:19:27,907
his truck and you saw the two flags in the back of
560
00:19:27,907 –> 00:19:30,627
his truck and that caused a lot of stuff at the very
561
00:19:30,627 –> 00:19:31,107
beginning.
562
00:19:31,107 –> 00:19:33,467
I had news networks messaging me saying,
563
00:19:33,467 –> 00:19:35,347
what do the flags mean on the truck?
564
00:19:35,347 –> 00:19:35,747
And I’m like,
565
00:19:35,987 –> 00:19:36,427
leave me alone.
566
00:19:36,427 –> 00:19:38,187
We’re trying to deal with the basic scene right here
567
00:19:38,187 –> 00:19:39,587
instead of reading into things.
568
00:19:40,427 –> 00:19:41,587
Yeah, Iraqi war veteran.
569
00:19:41,907 –> 00:19:42,587
Isn’t that weird,
570
00:19:42,587 –> 00:19:42,947
dude?
571
00:19:42,947 –> 00:19:43,347
Like,
572
00:19:47,027 –> 00:19:49,667
The discourse in America is just warped now.
573
00:19:49,667 –> 00:19:50,067
it’s like,
574
00:19:50,147 –> 00:19:51,987
what side do you belong to?
575
00:19:51,987 –> 00:19:52,787
What do you mean,
576
00:19:52,787 –> 00:19:53,827
like, what side?
577
00:19:53,827 –> 00:19:56,707
The first thing you want to know is political motive.
578
00:19:57,467 –> 00:19:58,787
That was the original thing.
579
00:19:58,787 –> 00:20:03,107
I got a message from one network in cable news,
580
00:20:03,107 –> 00:20:04,707
and that was the question.
581
00:20:04,827 –> 00:20:06,067
What do these flags indicate?
582
00:20:06,387 –> 00:20:07,267
I’m like, I’m out here.
583
00:20:07,267 –> 00:20:09,027
It just happened an hour and a half ago.
584
00:20:09,267 –> 00:20:11,667
Let’s just focus on getting the victims out of the
585
00:20:11,667 –> 00:20:12,627
building first.
586
00:20:12,867 –> 00:20:14,387
Yeah, it looked like Waco.
587
00:20:14,467 –> 00:20:15,667
And we want to know,
588
00:20:16,067 –> 00:20:16,867
are you MAGA?
589
00:20:17,027 –> 00:20:17,987
Are you Antifa?
590
00:20:18,187 –> 00:20:21,907
And what’s the we’re losing it in America.
591
00:20:22,067 –> 00:20:25,427
And that mainstream media that we both just abandoned
592
00:20:25,907 –> 00:20:30,307
is help push the push the country off a cliff,
593
00:20:30,307 –> 00:20:30,707
I think.
594
00:20:31,427 –> 00:20:33,907
Yeah, it’s sad because as I know,
595
00:20:34,067 –> 00:20:35,467
there’s extreme on the left,
596
00:20:35,467 –> 00:20:36,387
extreme on the right.
597
00:20:36,387 –> 00:20:39,667
I have had legitimate death threats from both sides
598
00:20:39,827 –> 00:20:41,627
since I left local TV news.
599
00:20:41,627 –> 00:20:44,307
And they’ve arrested two people on both sides.
600
00:20:44,467 –> 00:20:46,467
So it comes from every direction.
601
00:20:47,827 –> 00:20:50,387
Were you the first reporter on scene?
602
00:20:50,387 –> 00:20:51,747
It was a weekend.
603
00:20:52,787 –> 00:20:53,467
You were in church,
604
00:20:53,467 –> 00:20:53,987
weren’t you?
605
00:20:55,027 –> 00:20:55,987
I was in church.
606
00:20:55,987 –> 00:20:57,267
I started getting messages.
607
00:20:57,347 –> 00:20:59,107
My wife wants to have my phone off in church,
608
00:20:59,107 –> 00:20:59,987
but I have it on,
609
00:20:59,987 –> 00:21:02,307
and I started looking and getting messages.
610
00:21:02,547 –> 00:21:03,347
I was near,
611
00:21:03,347 –> 00:21:03,587
actually,
612
00:21:03,587 –> 00:21:04,387
when church started,
613
00:21:04,387 –> 00:21:05,827
so I left church,
614
00:21:06,227 –> 00:21:07,067
gathered my gear,
615
00:21:07,067 –> 00:21:07,987
and went down there.
616
00:21:08,387 –> 00:21:10,547
was one television station from Detroit,
617
00:21:10,907 –> 00:21:14,227
and I believe the local newspaper was there,
618
00:21:14,227 –> 00:21:15,027
Flint Journal,
619
00:21:15,427 –> 00:21:18,347
but none of the TV stations at the time,
620
00:21:18,347 –> 00:21:19,747
my former television station,
621
00:21:19,747 –> 00:21:21,507
actually was not even staffed.
622
00:21:22,067 –> 00:21:22,867
at that time.
623
00:21:22,947 –> 00:21:23,867
So I was one of the first.
624
00:21:24,067 –> 00:21:26,307
You mean the local Flint stations,
625
00:21:26,307 –> 00:21:26,947
which are what,
626
00:21:27,067 –> 00:21:28,547
15 minutes from the scene here?
627
00:21:29,587 –> 00:21:30,587
Probably 15 minutes.
628
00:21:30,587 –> 00:21:31,587
The ABC station,
629
00:21:31,587 –> 00:21:32,467
they were there.
630
00:21:32,707 –> 00:21:33,667
My former station,
631
00:21:33,667 –> 00:21:35,107
the NBC and Fox affiliate,
632
00:21:35,507 –> 00:21:38,387
they canceled their local news a couple of years ago.
633
00:21:38,387 –> 00:21:40,307
So they’re not staffed on the weekends.
634
00:21:41,827 –> 00:21:42,467
Well, you know,
635
00:21:42,467 –> 00:21:43,747
when people say to me like,
636
00:21:43,947 –> 00:21:45,667
hey, you left the news,
637
00:21:45,667 –> 00:21:46,227
what are you doing?
638
00:21:46,227 –> 00:21:47,427
I said, I’m doing the news.
639
00:21:47,427 –> 00:21:47,987
Where?
640
00:21:49,107 –> 00:21:50,027
Yeah, exactly.
641
00:21:50,027 –> 00:21:52,307
On the computer,
642
00:21:52,307 –> 00:21:52,547
man.
643
00:21:52,547 –> 00:21:54,307
If you can do news on the computer,
644
00:21:54,867 –> 00:21:56,547
then if you could make it,
645
00:21:56,627 –> 00:21:57,747
that’s where you want to be.
646
00:21:58,467 –> 00:22:01,627
Yeah, I did get some pushback from former colleagues
647
00:22:01,627 –> 00:22:02,427
that I used to work with.
648
00:22:02,427 –> 00:22:02,707
They’re like,
649
00:22:02,707 –> 00:22:03,547
what are you doing here?
650
00:22:03,547 –> 00:22:06,027
And then one of the captains that I did an interview
651
00:22:06,027 –> 00:22:06,467
with, he’s like,
652
00:22:06,467 –> 00:22:07,267
no, he’s Dave,
653
00:22:07,267 –> 00:22:07,427
you know,
654
00:22:07,427 –> 00:22:08,787
because I built a relationship.
655
00:22:08,787 –> 00:22:11,387
So I kind of felt some negativity among them.
656
00:22:11,387 –> 00:22:13,147
And I was just there to give out information.
657
00:22:13,147 –> 00:22:14,027
That’s all I was doing.
658
00:22:14,147 –> 00:22:15,507
Well, that’s what we need.
659
00:22:15,507 –> 00:22:16,147
And I mean,
660
00:22:16,627 –> 00:22:18,227
they’re being negative towards you because you’re
661
00:22:18,227 –> 00:22:18,987
beating their ass.
662
00:22:21,027 –> 00:22:22,347
Yeah, and it’s sad,
663
00:22:22,347 –> 00:22:23,827
and we could talk about that forever,
664
00:22:23,827 –> 00:22:26,627
about how they have not adjusted to what the viewers
665
00:22:26,627 –> 00:22:26,947
want.
666
00:22:26,947 –> 00:22:27,707
It’s more about them,
667
00:22:27,707 –> 00:22:28,867
but that’s a whole other story.
668
00:22:28,867 –> 00:22:29,587
Well, you know,
669
00:22:29,587 –> 00:22:30,947
we got a thing here.
670
00:22:31,507 –> 00:22:34,627
We’ll give it to the viewer as they want it,
671
00:22:34,627 –> 00:22:37,907
but the thing that is rock solid that never changes
672
00:22:38,147 –> 00:22:39,787
is it’s got to be accurate.
673
00:22:40,067 –> 00:22:41,067
Everybody makes mistakes,
674
00:22:41,067 –> 00:22:41,507
of course,
675
00:22:41,747 –> 00:22:42,067
but
676
00:22:42,867 –> 00:22:44,387
People want a place,
677
00:22:44,387 –> 00:22:46,067
like, when this was going on,
678
00:22:46,387 –> 00:22:49,267
you came up and your first one broadcasted from the
679
00:22:49,267 –> 00:22:49,627
scene.
680
00:22:49,627 –> 00:22:50,067
And I said,
681
00:22:50,227 –> 00:22:51,347
this guy’s legit.
682
00:22:51,667 –> 00:22:53,427
You know, I was working on my roof all day.
683
00:22:53,667 –> 00:22:54,427
And then I come down,
684
00:22:54,427 –> 00:22:55,507
I go, what happened?
685
00:22:55,667 –> 00:22:57,227
So boom, Bondi,
686
00:22:57,347 –> 00:23:00,547
you know what Bondi’s giving you is going to be rock
687
00:23:00,547 –> 00:23:01,027
solid.
688
00:23:01,707 –> 00:23:04,787
And it’s tempting because I had the name two hours
689
00:23:04,787 –> 00:23:06,067
before it was put out there.
690
00:23:06,307 –> 00:23:09,347
And it’s tempting to put it out there to get the clicks,
691
00:23:09,347 –> 00:23:10,227
to get the views.
692
00:23:10,707 –> 00:23:12,787
I waited until I was 100%
693
00:23:12,787 –> 00:23:16,067
confirmed with law enforcement before I did it.
694
00:23:16,707 –> 00:23:17,827
There were a lot of other things,
695
00:23:17,827 –> 00:23:18,947
people trying to tell me,
696
00:23:18,947 –> 00:23:20,027
hey, he’s a Trumper,
697
00:23:20,027 –> 00:23:20,627
he’s a this,
698
00:23:20,627 –> 00:23:21,267
he’s a that.
699
00:23:21,707 –> 00:23:23,347
And it’s tempting to put that out there,
700
00:23:23,347 –> 00:23:23,827
but I just,
701
00:23:23,827 –> 00:23:24,707
I can’t do it.
702
00:23:24,707 –> 00:23:27,747
I’d rather be second or third in getting it out.
703
00:23:29,707 –> 00:23:30,147
Yeah, I don’t,
704
00:23:30,387 –> 00:23:31,907
I think that’s what people want.
705
00:23:31,947 –> 00:23:32,427
And in the end,
706
00:23:32,427 –> 00:23:33,747
it’s your credibility as well.
707
00:23:33,827 –> 00:23:36,387
That’s, if you’re gonna go up by yourself,
708
00:23:36,387 –> 00:23:37,347
independent news,
709
00:23:37,347 –> 00:23:38,467
that’s all you really have.
710
00:23:38,467 –> 00:23:39,267
So it’s, that’s,
711
00:23:39,667 –> 00:23:40,467
commendable.
712
00:23:40,707 –> 00:23:41,987
Before I ask you that question,
713
00:23:42,227 –> 00:23:42,947
it’s a good place to,
714
00:23:43,227 –> 00:23:45,947
where do people find you?
715
00:23:45,947 –> 00:23:47,267
know, the best place that I am,
716
00:23:47,907 –> 00:23:48,707
Substack.
717
00:23:48,867 –> 00:23:50,907
And I don’t know if many people know about Substack.
718
00:23:50,907 –> 00:23:52,787
A lot of people on the left and the right who have
719
00:23:52,787 –> 00:23:54,547
left mainstream media are going there.
720
00:23:55,187 –> 00:23:58,067
It’s a newsletter and I love about it.
721
00:23:58,067 –> 00:23:59,187
There’s no algorithm.
722
00:23:59,587 –> 00:24:01,267
They let you own your audience.
723
00:24:01,507 –> 00:24:03,747
There’s no they don’t really they don’t block anything
724
00:24:03,747 –> 00:24:04,067
at all.
725
00:24:04,067 –> 00:24:08,067
But Dave Bondy BONDY Substack or even just Google my
726
00:24:08,067 –> 00:24:08,307
name.
727
00:24:08,307 –> 00:24:08,947
You’ll be anywhere.
728
00:24:08,947 –> 00:24:10,467
I have a huge following on social,
729
00:24:10,787 –> 00:24:13,107
but I do not trust the social platforms as you may
730
00:24:13,107 –> 00:24:15,027
have experienced or your crew in the years.
731
00:24:15,267 –> 00:24:17,107
They can take you down in the blink of an eye.
732
00:24:17,107 –> 00:24:18,387
They did it to us.
733
00:24:18,867 –> 00:24:22,387
My viewership as well knows well about that now.
734
00:24:23,987 –> 00:24:25,427
Here’s another thing that’s interesting.
735
00:24:25,587 –> 00:24:26,867
That’s why I ask you anything new.
736
00:24:27,587 –> 00:24:30,787
Now, four dead,
737
00:24:31,107 –> 00:24:32,307
not including this asshole,
738
00:24:32,387 –> 00:24:33,347
8 injured.
739
00:24:33,347 –> 00:24:34,867
That’s the important thing here,
740
00:24:35,347 –> 00:24:36,067
the people.
741
00:24:37,107 –> 00:24:38,307
Having said that,
742
00:24:38,947 –> 00:24:42,427
what went on that evening is you had a guest,
743
00:24:42,427 –> 00:24:43,427
a local politician,
744
00:24:43,427 –> 00:24:44,947
who had knocked on this guy’s door.
745
00:24:45,667 –> 00:24:49,987
And the question we want to know usually is what was
746
00:24:49,987 –> 00:24:50,947
this guy’s motive?
747
00:24:50,947 –> 00:24:51,747
And I think
748
00:24:52,387 –> 00:24:55,427
You got that right away by the work that you do.
749
00:24:55,507 –> 00:24:56,067
Please.
750
00:24:57,347 –> 00:24:59,227
Yeah, I went home after you.
751
00:24:59,227 –> 00:24:59,987
I left the scene.
752
00:24:59,987 –> 00:25:00,387
I went home.
753
00:25:00,387 –> 00:25:03,027
I got a text message from Chris Johns.
754
00:25:03,027 –> 00:25:04,467
He was a he’s a Burton,
755
00:25:04,467 –> 00:25:05,587
Burton, Michigan resident.
756
00:25:05,587 –> 00:25:06,867
That’s right outside of Grand Blanc.
757
00:25:07,267 –> 00:25:09,547
He was running for council or he is running for council
758
00:25:09,547 –> 00:25:10,467
and he was canvassing,
759
00:25:10,467 –> 00:25:11,587
knocking on doors.
760
00:25:12,067 –> 00:25:15,587
the week before and when he saw this dude’s mugshot
761
00:25:15,587 –> 00:25:18,347
picture come up on the news he goes I talked to him
762
00:25:18,347 –> 00:25:21,107
a week ago and he immediately called me and he’s like
763
00:25:21,107 –> 00:25:24,387
Dave I want to do the interview with you because I
764
00:25:24,387 –> 00:25:26,707
know that you know the media may clip it up into sound
765
00:25:26,707 –> 00:25:30,147
bites and when I do interviews like you I like airing
766
00:25:30,147 –> 00:25:32,667
the entire thing just let it fly if someone wants
767
00:25:32,667 –> 00:25:35,027
to talk for 20 minutes put it all out there and that’s
768
00:25:35,027 –> 00:25:37,667
what I do so I interviewed him and basically yeah
769
00:25:37,667 –> 00:25:39,587
he talked to the man a week before
770
00:25:40,067 –> 00:25:44,147
And he immediately started into just going off on the
771
00:25:44,147 –> 00:25:47,147
church, the Mormons or the Antichrist.
772
00:25:47,147 –> 00:25:49,427
He had lived in Utah,
773
00:25:49,427 –> 00:25:51,187
dated a Mormon,
774
00:25:51,187 –> 00:25:54,387
and he was not happy with the church’s teachings and
775
00:25:54,387 –> 00:25:58,067
that he had possibly blamed the church for that relationship.
776
00:25:58,307 –> 00:25:59,747
But we’re talking like maybe,
777
00:25:59,747 –> 00:26:00,067
I don’t know,
778
00:26:00,067 –> 00:26:02,067
15, 18 years ago that happened.
779
00:26:02,587 –> 00:26:05,107
And so the city council candidate was taking this all
780
00:26:05,107 –> 00:26:05,587
in.
781
00:26:05,827 –> 00:26:08,147
The guy didn’t have any threatening language or anything,
782
00:26:08,147 –> 00:26:09,387
but he just left and said,
783
00:26:09,387 –> 00:26:10,427
hey, nice talking to you.
784
00:26:10,427 –> 00:26:13,067
And that’s why he called me or talked to me.
785
00:26:13,067 –> 00:26:15,827
And he said that obviously most likely the cause.
786
00:26:15,827 –> 00:26:16,947
And then after the interview with me,
787
00:26:16,947 –> 00:26:18,947
he went to the FBI and told them everything he knew.
788
00:26:19,427 –> 00:26:20,267
But it really didn’t,
789
00:26:20,267 –> 00:26:23,187
that story didn’t get going out everywhere with the
790
00:26:23,187 –> 00:26:25,027
legacy media until the next day,
791
00:26:25,027 –> 00:26:25,427
really.
792
00:26:26,667 –> 00:26:29,107
Again, I just want to pause and just think about.
793
00:26:30,947 –> 00:26:32,467
the horror those people faced.
794
00:26:33,267 –> 00:26:35,987
And then, again,
795
00:26:35,987 –> 00:26:39,507
it’s commendable that this politician,
796
00:26:39,587 –> 00:26:41,347
sky running for local board,
797
00:26:41,507 –> 00:26:42,627
has your number,
798
00:26:42,627 –> 00:26:43,667
has your number.
799
00:26:44,187 –> 00:26:45,587
Understands your reputation.
800
00:26:45,987 –> 00:26:48,227
Yeah, and that’s like with you it’s all about building
801
00:26:48,227 –> 00:26:51,747
sources and in relationships and I feel bad for this
802
00:26:51,747 –> 00:26:54,787
guy because I had him on and then all the networks
803
00:26:54,787 –> 00:26:58,987
were at his door the next morning CNN had him on and
804
00:26:58,987 –> 00:27:01,827
they clipped up his sound bites and they put him on
805
00:27:01,827 –> 00:27:05,667
with Dana Nestle and Dana Nestle somewhat blamed him
806
00:27:05,667 –> 00:27:08,147
saying if he would have taken advantage of Michigan’s
807
00:27:08,147 –> 00:27:11,427
red flag laws and Reported this guy a week ago.
808
00:27:11,427 –> 00:27:12,827
Maybe this could been prevented.
809
00:27:12,827 –> 00:27:14,107
So this guy is now feeling bad
810
00:27:14,227 –> 00:27:16,987
for coming out because our Attorney General kind of
811
00:27:16,987 –> 00:27:19,507
hinted that he he should have reported him a week
812
00:27:19,507 –> 00:27:24,587
when he ago when he had that conversation yeah and
813
00:27:24,627 –> 00:27:27,587
he said there was nothing threatening whatsoever he
814
00:27:27,587 –> 00:27:30,507
was like you and I and everyone we talked to people
815
00:27:30,507 –> 00:27:33,947
that have you know they say crazy things and if you
816
00:27:33,947 –> 00:27:34,347
reported
817
00:27:34,587 –> 00:27:36,187
every single one of them to police.
818
00:27:37,147 –> 00:27:39,507
I thought that was unfair for him because if I’m believing
819
00:27:39,507 –> 00:27:40,427
what he is telling me,
820
00:27:40,427 –> 00:27:42,907
the guy was just strange.
821
00:27:42,987 –> 00:27:45,867
It’s completely unfair because the guy didn’t make
822
00:27:45,867 –> 00:27:46,827
any threats.
823
00:27:47,787 –> 00:27:49,027
No, he said he didn’t.
824
00:27:49,227 –> 00:27:50,027
In this morning,
825
00:27:50,027 –> 00:27:52,187
I just published a new story on my substack.
826
00:27:52,427 –> 00:27:53,867
There’s a church in Goodrich.
827
00:27:53,867 –> 00:27:55,427
It’s a non-denominational church,
828
00:27:55,427 –> 00:27:57,307
and I believe the suspect,
829
00:27:57,307 –> 00:27:58,987
the shooter in this case went to that church.
830
00:27:59,027 –> 00:28:00,907
They just put out a news release this morning.
831
00:28:01,627 –> 00:28:05,627
saying that he had an argument at that church in Goodrich
832
00:28:05,627 –> 00:28:07,547
about getting his child baptized.
833
00:28:07,907 –> 00:28:08,667
But once again,
834
00:28:08,667 –> 00:28:10,147
it was like a disagreement,
835
00:28:10,147 –> 00:28:10,787
an argument,
836
00:28:10,787 –> 00:28:12,267
no threats whatsoever.
837
00:28:12,667 –> 00:28:15,147
So I know some people are trying to blame,
838
00:28:15,947 –> 00:28:16,107
you know,
839
00:28:16,107 –> 00:28:16,827
looking back,
840
00:28:16,827 –> 00:28:18,027
but if there’s no threats,
841
00:28:18,747 –> 00:28:22,587
I get hundreds of messages every day calling me names,
842
00:28:22,587 –> 00:28:24,427
but I don’t call police.
843
00:28:27,627 –> 00:28:28,107
Wow, I mean,
844
00:28:28,187 –> 00:28:29,427
I don’t want to,
845
00:28:29,547 –> 00:28:31,227
I don’t want to get political with Nestle there,
846
00:28:31,227 –> 00:28:32,187
but you mean,
847
00:28:32,507 –> 00:28:33,787
you’re from Flint,
848
00:28:34,187 –> 00:28:34,387
so…
849
00:28:34,507 –> 00:28:36,667
Yeah, I don’t want to get political either.
850
00:28:36,667 –> 00:28:37,907
I just thought for him,
851
00:28:37,947 –> 00:28:39,307
I don’t want to get political,
852
00:28:39,307 –> 00:28:40,667
but it’s kind of a bad,
853
00:28:40,827 –> 00:28:41,867
bad time to do it,
854
00:28:41,947 –> 00:28:42,147
right?
855
00:28:42,147 –> 00:28:44,627
Yeah, it was a bad look because this guy,
856
00:28:44,627 –> 00:28:46,587
and I told him before he went on with me,
857
00:28:46,587 –> 00:28:48,387
I knew how important this interview was.
858
00:28:48,387 –> 00:28:50,587
I said, and to be nice to him,
859
00:28:50,587 –> 00:28:51,947
I said, you’re going to face,
860
00:28:52,107 –> 00:28:53,707
the media is going to come knocking at your door.
861
00:28:53,707 –> 00:28:54,427
You’re going to have
862
00:28:54,907 –> 00:28:57,627
you know bookers and CNN at your door and they may
863
00:28:57,627 –> 00:28:59,867
chop up your sound bites to how you don’t like it
864
00:29:00,347 –> 00:29:02,587
and he told me last night he texted me said you were
865
00:29:02,587 –> 00:29:05,787
right they they kind of twisted it a little bit oh
866
00:29:05,787 –> 00:29:11,307
geez wow let me and none of the media like I this
867
00:29:11,307 –> 00:29:15,267
is petty in the face of it all but none of them you
868
00:29:15,267 –> 00:29:19,507
know credited you as the the guy to find the guy that
869
00:29:19,507 –> 00:29:21,067
may be addressing the motive
870
00:29:21,867 –> 00:29:23,787
The Daily Mail was the only one.
871
00:29:23,787 –> 00:29:26,187
They actually reached out to me and said they would
872
00:29:26,187 –> 00:29:27,627
credit me and so forth.
873
00:29:28,027 –> 00:29:29,707
And a couple of the more right,
874
00:29:30,267 –> 00:29:30,827
hard right,
875
00:29:30,827 –> 00:29:33,387
conservative online places did.
876
00:29:34,907 –> 00:29:36,507
But it really doesn’t matter to me.
877
00:29:36,507 –> 00:29:37,227
It’d be nice,
878
00:29:37,227 –> 00:29:39,627
but I basically was their assignment desk.
879
00:29:39,627 –> 00:29:42,987
I started getting messages from local Detroit stations
880
00:29:42,987 –> 00:29:44,587
asking me for his cell phone number,
881
00:29:44,587 –> 00:29:47,427
and I didn’t give that up because I worked years to
882
00:29:47,467 –> 00:29:48,507
build these relationships.
883
00:29:48,747 –> 00:29:50,547
Yeah, and plus you didn’t want to lay the guy out.
884
00:29:50,547 –> 00:29:52,627
Like, I’ll call him and see if he wants to talk to
885
00:29:52,627 –> 00:29:52,707
you.
886
00:29:52,707 –> 00:29:54,147
And I did that,
887
00:29:54,147 –> 00:29:54,587
and then,
888
00:29:54,747 –> 00:29:56,267
yeah, he got together.
889
00:29:56,267 –> 00:29:57,067
Yeah, I get that too.
890
00:29:57,227 –> 00:29:58,267
I don’t mind to share,
891
00:29:58,267 –> 00:29:58,667
you know,
892
00:29:59,147 –> 00:30:00,587
but a lot of things that I do,
893
00:30:00,587 –> 00:30:02,027
they don’t even want to pick up.
894
00:30:02,427 –> 00:30:03,467
So I just think,
895
00:30:04,827 –> 00:30:07,627
Like there’s a guy who’s from the mainstream and he’s
896
00:30:07,627 –> 00:30:09,467
trying to build a better way.
897
00:30:09,707 –> 00:30:12,667
And if we all behave like colleagues,
898
00:30:13,467 –> 00:30:15,387
it would just help keep it alive.
899
00:30:16,347 –> 00:30:18,507
There are great people that I work with almost,
900
00:30:18,747 –> 00:30:19,147
you know,
901
00:30:19,147 –> 00:30:21,147
in the quote legacy mainstream media.
902
00:30:21,147 –> 00:30:21,867
There’s very,
903
00:30:21,867 –> 00:30:23,067
very good individuals.
904
00:30:23,387 –> 00:30:25,867
The more problems I find is at the network level.
905
00:30:26,187 –> 00:30:27,307
Here’s another one.
906
00:30:27,347 –> 00:30:29,787
And after I saw your postings about it,
907
00:30:29,787 –> 00:30:30,907
I started getting involved,
908
00:30:30,907 –> 00:30:31,507
made some calls.
909
00:30:32,667 –> 00:30:33,747
What’s the update on the
910
00:30:33,827 –> 00:30:35,387
The Flint mass shooting,
911
00:30:36,027 –> 00:30:37,787
it was one shooting.
912
00:30:37,947 –> 00:30:39,387
It was 20 people.
913
00:30:39,387 –> 00:30:40,907
It wasn’t three separate incidents.
914
00:30:40,907 –> 00:30:41,787
Remember that one?
915
00:30:42,587 –> 00:30:44,507
Yeah, that was wild to me.
916
00:30:44,507 –> 00:30:45,507
It was one weekend.
917
00:30:45,507 –> 00:30:47,307
It was maybe a couple months ago in the summer.
918
00:30:47,307 –> 00:30:47,627
Yes.
919
00:30:47,627 –> 00:30:49,227
And there were 18,
920
00:30:49,627 –> 00:30:50,507
I even forget the number,
921
00:30:50,507 –> 00:30:52,027
15 to 20 people shot.
922
00:30:52,347 –> 00:30:54,187
And I was getting messages left and right.
923
00:30:54,267 –> 00:30:54,907
And I’m like,
924
00:30:54,907 –> 00:30:56,427
what’s going on with police?
925
00:30:56,427 –> 00:30:59,387
I texted people at the Flint police.
926
00:30:59,387 –> 00:31:00,347
I emailed.
927
00:31:00,667 –> 00:31:01,867
I did everything I could,
928
00:31:01,867 –> 00:31:04,427
exhausted my resources for hours.
929
00:31:04,427 –> 00:31:05,867
And almost 24 hours later,
930
00:31:06,187 –> 00:31:09,067
the police made no statements that more than a dozen
931
00:31:09,067 –> 00:31:10,027
people had been shot.
932
00:31:10,267 –> 00:31:11,627
So I just put out a story.
933
00:31:11,627 –> 00:31:12,827
It was a Tanya Burns.
934
00:31:12,827 –> 00:31:14,507
I forget who I quoted in it.
935
00:31:15,227 –> 00:31:16,347
really just saying,
936
00:31:16,427 –> 00:31:17,467
this is what I know.
937
00:31:17,507 –> 00:31:20,347
And I had talked to people in the and confirmed they
938
00:31:20,347 –> 00:31:22,987
were having multiple people walking in with gunshots.
939
00:31:23,227 –> 00:31:24,427
And I put that out there.
940
00:31:24,507 –> 00:31:26,507
And I don’t think the mayor’s office was appreciative,
941
00:31:26,747 –> 00:31:28,907
but they called a news conference the next morning.
942
00:31:29,427 –> 00:31:30,107
And then said,
943
00:31:30,107 –> 00:31:31,627
we had three separate incidents.
944
00:31:31,627 –> 00:31:33,147
There’s a bunch of people in a lot.
945
00:31:33,227 –> 00:31:34,587
Nine got dropped here.
946
00:31:34,907 –> 00:31:37,027
Four got dropped in a road raid incident.
947
00:31:37,027 –> 00:31:39,467
That was them driving from the lot.
948
00:31:39,547 –> 00:31:41,307
Somebody got dropped at a gas station.
949
00:31:41,467 –> 00:31:42,347
He was in the lot.
950
00:31:42,427 –> 00:31:44,747
It was one rolling gun battle.
951
00:31:45,467 –> 00:31:47,307
Yeah, but they still didn’t give us a total number.
952
00:31:47,387 –> 00:31:48,587
And as you know this as well,
953
00:31:49,107 –> 00:31:51,387
any journalist who’s ever covered the Flint market,
954
00:31:51,627 –> 00:31:53,827
getting information from not only the city of Flint,
955
00:31:53,827 –> 00:31:54,747
but the Flint police,
956
00:31:55,627 –> 00:31:56,347
it’s horrible.
957
00:31:56,427 –> 00:31:59,467
I mean, and they have their police scanners encrypted
958
00:31:59,467 –> 00:32:00,267
in Genesee County,
959
00:32:00,267 –> 00:32:03,467
which means you cannot listen to what’s going on in
960
00:32:03,467 –> 00:32:04,507
the police activity,
961
00:32:04,747 –> 00:32:06,747
which I understand could be a safety issue.
962
00:32:06,747 –> 00:32:07,147
But
963
00:32:07,867 –> 00:32:08,427
We would go,
964
00:32:08,427 –> 00:32:09,947
when I was working as a reporter there,
965
00:32:10,107 –> 00:32:11,387
it would take us almost a week,
966
00:32:11,587 –> 00:32:14,627
a week to find out if a shooting had actually happened.
967
00:32:14,747 –> 00:32:16,267
The communication is horrible.
968
00:32:16,427 –> 00:32:19,547
So we’re talking to downtown Dave Bondi here.
969
00:32:19,627 –> 00:32:21,147
And so, you know,
970
00:32:21,147 –> 00:32:21,907
downtown Flint,
971
00:32:22,027 –> 00:32:23,227
we’ve got a mass shooting.
972
00:32:23,787 –> 00:32:25,067
Anybody been arrested for that?
973
00:32:25,067 –> 00:32:25,547
Yes or no?
974
00:32:25,547 –> 00:32:26,027
Do you know?
975
00:32:26,027 –> 00:32:26,587
Yes or no?
976
00:32:27,627 –> 00:32:28,427
I don’t know.
977
00:32:28,427 –> 00:32:29,067
We don’t know.
978
00:32:30,587 –> 00:32:36,347
Do you know that is the second largest mass shooting
979
00:32:36,587 –> 00:32:38,027
in the history of Michigan?
980
00:32:38,267 –> 00:32:39,147
And we don’t know.
981
00:32:40,907 –> 00:32:41,347
No idea.
982
00:32:41,347 –> 00:32:43,227
And they had several news conferences and they just
983
00:32:43,227 –> 00:32:45,987
danced around the questions really.
984
00:32:45,987 –> 00:32:46,307
I don’t.
985
00:32:46,427 –> 00:32:46,587
Yeah.
986
00:32:46,747 –> 00:32:47,307
Fucking mess.
987
00:32:47,787 –> 00:32:48,027
All right,
988
00:32:48,027 –> 00:32:48,507
listen, man,
989
00:32:48,507 –> 00:32:50,107
I said I wouldn’t keep you long.
990
00:32:50,107 –> 00:32:51,227
I’m going to call.
991
00:32:51,947 –> 00:32:53,947
Sheriff Swanson and see if there’s anything new,
992
00:32:53,947 –> 00:32:55,387
but excellent work.
993
00:32:55,907 –> 00:32:56,667
I’m watching.
994
00:32:57,147 –> 00:32:57,867
Dave Bonnie,
995
00:32:57,867 –> 00:32:59,067
get him on Substack.
996
00:32:59,347 –> 00:32:59,947
Dave Bonnie,
997
00:33:00,187 –> 00:33:01,467
you’ll find him on social media.
998
00:33:01,467 –> 00:33:02,867
Just join up,
999
00:33:03,067 –> 00:33:03,787
follow him,
1000
00:33:04,027 –> 00:33:05,547
and everything mission,
1001
00:33:05,707 –> 00:33:06,107
you know,
1002
00:33:06,587 –> 00:33:07,547
he’s got his fingers in it.
1003
00:33:07,707 –> 00:33:08,387
Thanks for coming on,
1004
00:33:08,387 –> 00:33:08,747
brother.
1005
00:33:09,547 –> 00:33:09,867
Thank you,
1006
00:33:09,867 –> 00:33:10,107
sir.
1007
00:33:10,107 –> 00:33:10,347
Thank you.
1008
00:33:10,347 –> 00:33:10,667
All right.
1009
00:33:11,227 –> 00:33:14,987
Okay, we got Genesee County Sheriff Chris Swanson.
1010
00:33:15,227 –> 00:33:16,427
He’s running for governor as well,
1011
00:33:16,427 –> 00:33:17,947
but that’s for another day.
1012
00:33:18,107 –> 00:33:18,547
How are you,
1013
00:33:18,547 –> 00:33:18,907
sir?
1014
00:33:20,107 –> 00:33:20,587
You know what,
1015
00:33:20,907 –> 00:33:24,107
how I’m doing pales comparison to what those victims
1016
00:33:24,107 –> 00:33:26,907
are going through and what those survivors of,
1017
00:33:27,307 –> 00:33:27,507
you know,
1018
00:33:28,107 –> 00:33:30,747
people who have been treated at just the whole church.
1019
00:33:30,787 –> 00:33:33,227
I mean, so where I’m at,
1020
00:33:33,587 –> 00:33:36,187
yeah, it’s those folks that are our focus right now.
1021
00:33:36,227 –> 00:33:36,987
But thanks for asking.
1022
00:33:37,147 –> 00:33:37,987
See, that’s leadership,
1023
00:33:37,987 –> 00:33:40,187
man, because we just had Dave Bondi on and it’s like
1024
00:33:40,187 –> 00:33:43,787
it’s it’s kind of hard to get at the finery of,
1025
00:33:43,947 –> 00:33:44,267
you know,
1026
00:33:44,427 –> 00:33:47,467
the American fabric at the moment because
1027
00:33:47,947 –> 00:33:49,227
So thanks for doing that.
1028
00:33:49,947 –> 00:33:51,787
Look, I know the FBI is involved in everything.
1029
00:33:51,787 –> 00:33:53,387
Is there anything new you can tell us?
1030
00:33:54,587 –> 00:33:57,387
You know, I will tell you that the investigation is
1031
00:33:57,387 –> 00:34:00,947
moving much faster than I even anticipated.
1032
00:34:01,067 –> 00:34:04,027
You know, ATF is on scene sifting through the site,
1033
00:34:04,027 –> 00:34:05,307
which is still locked down,
1034
00:34:05,787 –> 00:34:09,787
but the FBI is still the lead and they’re doing a
1035
00:34:10,427 –> 00:34:11,067
great job.
1036
00:34:11,827 –> 00:34:14,627
What people sometimes don’t realize is it’s like waves,
1037
00:34:14,627 –> 00:34:15,387
and you’ve been through this,
1038
00:34:15,387 –> 00:34:16,587
Charlie, throughout your whole career.
1039
00:34:16,587 –> 00:34:16,907
It’s like,
1040
00:34:17,467 –> 00:34:19,707
it starts and then there’s just total chaos,
1041
00:34:19,707 –> 00:34:20,707
but it’s organized.
1042
00:34:20,707 –> 00:34:24,867
And then you secure the scene and then you treat and
1043
00:34:24,867 –> 00:34:26,027
identify the victims.
1044
00:34:26,027 –> 00:34:27,987
Then the investigation starts and it’s just different
1045
00:34:27,987 –> 00:34:28,507
ways.
1046
00:34:28,907 –> 00:34:32,427
And this is the wave of just kind of the long term
1047
00:34:32,707 –> 00:34:34,107
until the scene is secured.
1048
00:34:34,427 –> 00:34:37,507
And then the investigation completes more interviews.
1049
00:34:37,507 –> 00:34:39,187
And this could last six,
1050
00:34:39,187 –> 00:34:41,427
seven, eight months before there’s a final report
1051
00:34:41,427 –> 00:34:42,107
from the FBI.
1052
00:34:43,307 –> 00:34:44,187
Can I ask you this?
1053
00:34:44,267 –> 00:34:46,907
Somebody from up there sent a text to me.
1054
00:34:46,907 –> 00:34:51,427
Were there a couple of employees in the sheriff’s department
1055
00:34:51,427 –> 00:34:53,827
that were worshippers in the church that morning?
1056
00:34:54,667 –> 00:34:55,467
You are correct,
1057
00:34:55,467 –> 00:34:55,707
yeah.
1058
00:34:55,707 –> 00:34:58,747
One of my patrol paramedic deputies is a member at
1059
00:34:58,747 –> 00:35:02,667
that church and knew some of the victims who heroically
1060
00:35:02,667 –> 00:35:04,827
gave their life protecting others in the church.
1061
00:35:05,147 –> 00:35:05,707
And I will tell you,
1062
00:35:05,707 –> 00:35:08,747
Charlie, I know you love the humanitarian side of
1063
00:35:08,747 –> 00:35:11,387
life and those stories will start rolling out,
1064
00:35:11,467 –> 00:35:12,187
rolling out.
1065
00:35:12,267 –> 00:35:14,347
And I think you’re going to be encouraging,
1066
00:35:14,347 –> 00:35:15,227
listeners will be.
1067
00:35:16,187 –> 00:35:17,947
I know that,
1068
00:35:18,987 –> 00:35:19,227
you know,
1069
00:35:19,227 –> 00:35:21,307
there’s a daughter who was with her dad when he was
1070
00:35:21,307 –> 00:35:21,787
shot.
1071
00:35:22,507 –> 00:35:24,107
And she’s been telling her story.
1072
00:35:24,107 –> 00:35:27,667
There’s just so many remarkable stories of not only
1073
00:35:27,667 –> 00:35:31,467
heroism, but of people who have feared that in their
1074
00:35:31,467 –> 00:35:32,027
memory.
1075
00:35:32,387 –> 00:35:33,467
And my deputy is one of them.
1076
00:35:33,467 –> 00:35:34,427
He was not in the church,
1077
00:35:34,427 –> 00:35:37,107
but he responded and he saw people that he had known
1078
00:35:37,107 –> 00:35:37,587
and loved,
1079
00:35:38,827 –> 00:35:39,467
gave their life.
1080
00:35:39,627 –> 00:35:39,987
Oh, wow.
1081
00:35:40,907 –> 00:35:41,867
So I’ll just,
1082
00:35:41,867 –> 00:35:43,307
I know you’re busy and you gotta jump,
1083
00:35:43,307 –> 00:35:45,667
but we, you know,
1084
00:35:45,667 –> 00:35:48,907
let’s give some props to
1085
00:35:49,307 –> 00:35:50,427
First responders,
1086
00:35:50,427 –> 00:35:51,147
yeah, I mean,
1087
00:35:51,387 –> 00:35:54,027
they responded quickly and a lot more people could
1088
00:35:54,027 –> 00:35:55,067
have died had they not.
1089
00:35:56,347 –> 00:35:56,827
And you know what,
1090
00:35:56,987 –> 00:35:58,827
Charlie, I gotta tell you that first responders,
1091
00:35:58,827 –> 00:36:01,147
I mean, obviously being a police officer and a paramedic,
1092
00:36:02,027 –> 00:36:03,227
the first two cops on,
1093
00:36:03,867 –> 00:36:06,507
the Grand Lake Township officer and the DNR officer,
1094
00:36:06,587 –> 00:36:07,707
they killed the suspect.
1095
00:36:08,067 –> 00:36:08,707
And you are right,
1096
00:36:08,707 –> 00:36:09,827
that would have been double,
1097
00:36:09,827 –> 00:36:10,827
triple the body count.
1098
00:36:11,227 –> 00:36:14,107
And they are trying to find what’s happening and when
1099
00:36:14,107 –> 00:36:15,107
the calls are going out,
1100
00:36:15,147 –> 00:36:16,187
even when I was responding,
1101
00:36:16,187 –> 00:36:17,547
we didn’t know if there’s multiple shooters.
1102
00:36:18,187 –> 00:36:19,787
But it’s the EMS workers.
1103
00:36:19,787 –> 00:36:23,387
You know, there was brand new EMTs that had two months
1104
00:36:23,587 –> 00:36:23,787
on.
1105
00:36:24,107 –> 00:36:26,987
You had paramedics that are working a rig.
1106
00:36:27,147 –> 00:36:28,107
You have firefighters.
1107
00:36:28,467 –> 00:36:30,907
I’m not just talking firefighters that have been on
1108
00:36:30,907 –> 00:36:32,187
for 30 years,
1109
00:36:32,587 –> 00:36:34,787
but firefighters that are just out of the fire academy
1110
00:36:34,787 –> 00:36:36,187
have never seen anything like this.
1111
00:36:36,507 –> 00:36:38,907
I saw grown men who were in the 30s,
1112
00:36:38,907 –> 00:36:39,627
40s, 50s,
1113
00:36:39,627 –> 00:36:41,867
and 60s on their hands and knees.
1114
00:36:42,347 –> 00:36:45,067
full geared out in their firefighter gear,
1115
00:36:45,307 –> 00:36:48,507
calling and crawling through debris or smoke.
1116
00:36:48,507 –> 00:36:49,387
You couldn’t even get 3,
1117
00:36:49,387 –> 00:36:50,747
4, 5, you know,
1118
00:36:50,747 –> 00:36:51,707
yards to the building.
1119
00:36:51,707 –> 00:36:52,587
The fire was intense.
1120
00:36:52,827 –> 00:36:54,667
These guys and these ladies were crawling on their
1121
00:36:54,747 –> 00:36:56,187
bellies to try to find people.
1122
00:36:56,227 –> 00:36:58,827
I mean, that’s the heroes that we don’t talk about.
1123
00:36:59,067 –> 00:37:01,427
Yeah, that’s something beautiful and something very
1124
00:37:01,427 –> 00:37:01,787
ugly.
1125
00:37:01,787 –> 00:37:03,147
I think it’s worth noting,
1126
00:37:03,147 –> 00:37:03,547
too.
1127
00:37:04,667 –> 00:37:07,467
Nurses were striking against Henry Ford,
1128
00:37:07,467 –> 00:37:10,747
suspended their strike to care for the victims.
1129
00:37:12,027 –> 00:37:12,747
You know what?
1130
00:37:13,867 –> 00:37:14,587
Here’s another thing.
1131
00:37:14,587 –> 00:37:16,667
This is why you asked such great questions,
1132
00:37:16,667 –> 00:37:17,547
because people,
1133
00:37:17,787 –> 00:37:18,587
it leads me to this,
1134
00:37:18,827 –> 00:37:20,507
they not only suspended their strike,
1135
00:37:20,507 –> 00:37:21,707
but they went to the Trillium.
1136
00:37:22,347 –> 00:37:24,387
That’s where our family reunification was,
1137
00:37:24,387 –> 00:37:25,987
and they went there to help with anybody,
1138
00:37:25,987 –> 00:37:27,787
because we were having people fall out from,
1139
00:37:28,107 –> 00:37:28,347
you know,
1140
00:37:28,427 –> 00:37:29,627
obviously just the stress,
1141
00:37:29,627 –> 00:37:30,507
the parasympathetic,
1142
00:37:30,507 –> 00:37:31,667
and the sympathetic response,
1143
00:37:31,667 –> 00:37:32,387
drops pressure,
1144
00:37:32,387 –> 00:37:32,827
and boom.
1145
00:37:33,307 –> 00:37:34,547
smoking, and they said those nurses,
1146
00:37:34,547 –> 00:37:35,067
you write,
1147
00:37:35,627 –> 00:37:37,387
it’s people over policy,
1148
00:37:37,387 –> 00:37:38,147
people over pay,
1149
00:37:38,147 –> 00:37:38,827
and they went there.
1150
00:37:38,827 –> 00:37:39,867
So that’s the,
1151
00:37:39,907 –> 00:37:42,427
those are those stories and people dropping off bagels
1152
00:37:42,467 –> 00:37:44,587
and water and literally just dropping them at that
1153
00:37:44,667 –> 00:37:45,827
police line and leaving.
1154
00:37:45,827 –> 00:37:47,627
And yeah, I mean,
1155
00:37:47,627 –> 00:37:49,587
I know I went off on that nurse part of it,
1156
00:37:49,587 –> 00:37:49,907
but yeah,
1157
00:37:49,907 –> 00:37:52,507
they went back to what they were called to do and
1158
00:37:52,547 –> 00:37:53,627
that is treating out people.
1159
00:37:53,787 –> 00:37:54,427
Well, you know,
1160
00:37:54,747 –> 00:37:55,507
we’ll leave it at that.
1161
00:37:55,507 –> 00:37:56,187
I know you got to go,
1162
00:37:56,187 –> 00:37:58,907
but that’s kind of big because in a time where we
1163
00:37:58,907 –> 00:38:03,187
all think the country’s falling apart and it’s nice
1164
00:38:03,307 –> 00:38:08,107
here community in humanity and decency you spot on
1165
00:38:08,107 –> 00:38:10,947
humanity you know I I know that when all those people
1166
00:38:10,947 –> 00:38:13,627
were responding and you know all the homeowners in
1167
00:38:13,627 –> 00:38:15,867
that area I mean their whole lives were shut down
1168
00:38:15,867 –> 00:38:18,107
watching this church that they may and probably have
1169
00:38:18,107 –> 00:38:20,667
never stepped foot in but they see people come and
1170
00:38:20,667 –> 00:38:22,587
go there throughout the whole week they see little
1171
00:38:22,587 –> 00:38:25,227
kids in there they all came together Charlie like
1172
00:38:25,307 –> 00:38:28,027
everybody nobody asked questions nobody said well
1173
00:38:28,027 –> 00:38:31,787
it’s that church the Mormon Church is the one that
1174
00:38:31,787 –> 00:38:33,067
was attacked the
1175
00:38:34,427 –> 00:38:37,227
The Jehovah’s Witness church is just west opened up.
1176
00:38:37,227 –> 00:38:40,467
We commandeered the entire facility as our uniform
1177
00:38:40,467 –> 00:38:40,987
of command,
1178
00:38:41,187 –> 00:38:42,187
whatever we needed.
1179
00:38:42,307 –> 00:38:45,067
I mean, that’s humanity that you speak of.
1180
00:38:46,427 –> 00:38:47,307
We’ll leave it at that.
1181
00:38:47,587 –> 00:38:49,947
I’ll get back around to you.
1182
00:38:50,107 –> 00:38:52,827
You know, as the governor’s rate heats up,
1183
00:38:52,827 –> 00:38:56,227
it’s worth letting people know you are a Democratic
1184
00:38:56,227 –> 00:38:58,347
candidate for the governor’s chair,
1185
00:38:58,907 –> 00:39:00,827
and we’ll talk to you about
1186
00:39:01,947 –> 00:39:03,067
other things on another day.
1187
00:39:03,067 –> 00:39:03,427
Thank you,
1188
00:39:03,427 –> 00:39:05,067
brother, for taking the time today.
1189
00:39:05,827 –> 00:39:07,067
Hey, I appreciate your voice.
1190
00:39:07,067 –> 00:39:09,227
I appreciate you trying to keep doing that what you
1191
00:39:09,227 –> 00:39:09,467
do.
1192
00:39:09,467 –> 00:39:10,027
Have a great day,
1193
00:39:10,027 –> 00:39:10,187
sir.
1194
00:39:10,187 –> 00:39:10,507
Talk to you.
1195
00:39:10,507 –> 00:39:10,587
Bye.
1196
00:39:10,587 –> 00:39:10,707
Bye.
1197
00:39:10,707 –> 00:39:14,747
I mean, that’s how you do it.
1198
00:39:16,507 –> 00:39:17,307
That’s how you do it.
1199
00:39:18,747 –> 00:39:20,027
You don’t go on CNN and go,
1200
00:39:21,227 –> 00:39:25,787
the guy, the politician that was canvassing should
1201
00:39:25,787 –> 00:39:27,227
have turned him into the authorities.
1202
00:39:28,067 –> 00:39:28,867
I can’t believe she did that.
1203
00:39:28,867 –> 00:39:29,267
What is that?
1204
00:39:29,267 –> 00:39:31,267
What would have happened if you would have done that?
1205
00:39:31,267 –> 00:39:32,507
They would have said,
1206
00:39:33,507 –> 00:39:34,027
okay, sir,
1207
00:39:34,027 –> 00:39:34,867
do you threaten anybody?
1208
00:39:34,867 –> 00:39:35,027
No.
1209
00:39:35,547 –> 00:39:36,427
Have a nice day.
1210
00:39:38,107 –> 00:39:38,587
And remember,
1211
00:39:38,587 –> 00:39:43,227
this is all flint and not one person spent a day in
1212
00:39:43,227 –> 00:39:46,747
jail while Nestle blew the whole water poisoning.
1213
00:39:46,867 –> 00:39:47,707
What a thing,
1214
00:39:47,787 –> 00:39:48,827
mass shootings,
1215
00:39:49,227 –> 00:39:50,187
church shooting,
1216
00:39:50,827 –> 00:39:51,707
water poison,
1217
00:39:51,707 –> 00:39:52,587
what, you know,
1218
00:39:53,227 –> 00:39:54,427
that’s our community too.
1219
00:39:54,427 –> 00:39:55,627
So, you know,
1220
00:39:55,627 –> 00:39:56,107
our,
1221
00:40:02,627 –> 00:40:03,227
I’m sorry.
1222
00:40:03,547 –> 00:40:05,787
I’m sorry it’s been such a rough go.
1223
00:40:05,947 –> 00:40:07,307
Flint, love you.
1224
00:40:07,387 –> 00:40:08,867
We’ll see you next week.
